Outolintu
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Posted : Apr 15, 2013 19:17:45
i've been thinking about stepping out of the box sequencer wise too.
after searching around on the internet i came to the conclusion that the maq16/3 would be the most versatile and stable analog sequencer on the market.
http://www.doepfer.de/maq.htm any experiences?
it still confuses me how many midi-events i can assign for each row simultaneously.
all of these at the same time (in theory) or just one/row?
assignable MIDI-Events and MIDI-Channels for the 3 rows:
-Note On/Off
-Velocity
-Controller 0-19, 64-74, 84, Pitchbend, Aftertouch mono and poly
-Program Change (for dynamic sound change)
MIDI channel of another row (for dynamic sound change)
-Transposition of another row
-Gate time (length of time for this column)
First/last step of each row can be limited by user
-MIDI channel of each row selectable
the upcoming 20th anniversary edition looks cool too
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Posted : Apr 15, 2013 20:31
expensive ! but good features, no experience but have seen this one recomended, there is a other one that is popular but can t remember right now
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Posted : Apr 15, 2013 22:02
i check a bit on french forum and they said the doepfer is good but can be a bit complicated to program..
the futur retro orb may not have the features you need but supposed to be a breeze to use (but might be better to go for their revoltion thingy that i guess can be used the same + give the 303 emu)
orb spec:
Number of Patterns: 256 patterns (16 banks x 16 patterns each)
Recorded Pattern Content: note duration, pitch, accent, glide, loop point, time signature, swing amount
Number of Steps Per Pattern: 3/4 time = 12 steps, 4/4 time = 16 steps max
Note Pitch Range: C1 - D#6 (internal), C2 - D#7 (MIDI)
Loop Point: 1 to 16 notes per pattern to loop
Pattern Transpose: from -36 to +36 semitones
Other Pattern Features: pattern remixing, play patterns forwards or backwards, copy and paste patterns, pattern shifting, permanent pattern transposing, multiple pattern cueing (for chaining patterns together live), LED chase, real-time editing of pattern information while the sequencer is playing or stopped, sequencer automatically saves all editing
Remix: 256 instant variations for playing each pattern and song
Number of Songs: 16
Number of Steps Per Song: up to 3,580 measures each
Recorded Song Content: tempo, bank/pattern for each step, transpose value for each step, song loop point
Song Pattern Transpose: from -36 to +36 semitones for each song step
Tempo Range: from 20 to 250 beats per minute
MIDI Functions: on/off, channel selectable from 1-16, Program Change messages for selecting patterns remotely
MIDI Sync: internal or external
MIDI Sysex: for backing up patterns and songs (sysex dumps compatible with the Revolution synthesizer)
MIDI Data: note on/off, pitch, velocity (transmitted and received)
MIDI to CV Converter: Converts internal patterns or external MIDI note data into control voltage, gate, and accent signals for controlling other analog synthesizers
INTERFACING
MIDI: in, thru, out
1/4" Jacks: v/oct CV out, +12v gate out (positive polarity), +10v accent out (positive polarity)
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Posted : Apr 18, 2013 15:35
man, i guess i'm (still) too stupid to go with a hardware analog sequencer. i don't get the basic principles of how it functions: how many parameters i can operate/row and how many synths i can control simulataneously with it my idea/vision was controling a drum machine and several synths with it: syncing the drum machine via midi and syncing 2 synths (their own sequencer and arpeggiator) via cv/gate and controling the 3rd one with the maq's sequencer. should be possible, right? but i don't see any videos on youtube about it and no topics on forums either...
any help or ideas welcome "no one ever sweats on a plug-in" -moby
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Posted : Apr 19, 2013 12:38
well, i d.loaded the maq16/3 manual to have a look-see.
it seems to me that i can assign only one event/row which is a bummer. don't know why they couldn't make it f.e. 3events/row (a flip switch before each row to activate one of the events at a time, should be possible right?).
the 16/3's midi in has no merge function so it will not send any received midi data onwards.
if i want my drum machine or daw to be the master i'd then have to use a midi thru box and connect the 16/3 and the synths i want to clock with the master to it.
it also seems that the 16/3 does not have a shuffle function! oberkorn has it. on the other hand it has really cool operating modes for the rows: it can play each row backwards, in different pendulum modes, at random etc.
the gate outputs's default setting on the 16/3 is 0/+8v. they have to be modified to accept s-trig or +5v. the manual says it should be done at the factory. no easy flip swith for that either which means you have to pair it up with one specific synth (ofcourse you don't have this problem if you don't have synths with s-trig or +5v).
synths that work on hz/v (korg, yamaha...) need a midi-cv interface to work eith the 16/3.
pff, this is heavy duty research work! i guess i have to check out the manuals of other hardware sequencers as well. might be that there is no product to my liking on the market after all :/
"no one ever sweats on a plug-in" -moby
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 12:37
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On 2013-04-19 12:38, Outolintu wrote:
don't know why they couldn't make it f.e. 3events/row (a flip switch before each row to activate one of the events at a time, should be possible right?).
yeah... problems with the rotary knobs. i get it now.
but perhaps 3 main rows which all have 3 sub rows for different events?
wouldn't that be nice? oh, for those of you who wonder: this is a conversation with invisible friends "no one ever sweats on a plug-in" -moby
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 15:54
this looks interesting!
ah, damn it. from schneider's laden:
"Not in production anymore. The last units can be purchased directly from the manufacturer (as of June 11th, 2012)"
i bet they're all gone by now.
hmmh, price tag is 1400€. ouch.
i found an indepth article about the rpe but it's in german. they give it a really good verdict: intuitive, simple to use, good for live-sets...
http://www.amazona.de/test-rpe-seq12-hardware-sequencer/
"no one ever sweats on a plug-in" -moby
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Posted : Apr 20, 2013 23:54
this is how it always goes: you start with a simple, small idea and end up drooling at pics and specs of something ridiculously expensive! the rpe is cheap compared to these. maybe i'll send him a mail and ask if he'd still have one for sale...
"no one ever sweats on a plug-in" -moby
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Posted : Apr 21, 2013 01:23
"The Cosmic cowpat" or "Darth Vaders Toiletr Seat".....some piece of gear the LATRONIC NORTON sequencer
had forgotten exactley how much stuff they cramed into it
you can pick them up second hand for £700 these days, quite a lot but its something else
more a Midi Instrument than just a sequencer
Also been looking at the Orb as well
nice little package,Cv gate AND accent LOVELY stuff...
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Posted : Apr 21, 2013 01:24
and it didnt sell.....maybe more to do with the sellers rating than the asking price
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Posted : Apr 24, 2013 21:51
I am getting more and more into analog sequencing.
I mean its the same thing as Logic's MIDI editor, but I wanted to use the x0xb0x to control the Minitaur via CV/Gate two nights ago...and the whole experiment had me writting a bassline I would never sit down and write in Logic.
Crazy how different looking away from the computer screen, feels...the music just comes out totally different...whether that is a good or bad thing, is up to the listener, but it does change the way I approach writing sequences, completely.
And that is just with something as basic as a 303 style sequencer...it must be a completely different ball game with something as flexible as the Doepfer maq.
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