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Goodbye Chaos Unlimited!
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sure_smoke_alot
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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 08:17
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On 2006-08-25 23:49, Rah wrote:
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On 2006-08-25 21:26, clown wrote:
Okay, i don't know if that acctually makes sence, but i DO know that if i release a CD this month, and so do 40 other labels, what are the odd's people will even find my release with all the others before they get tired of listening to all these different samples? Not many, especially since people are getting tired of the same sounds ,formula's and even the same artists. Now if you compaire my release with, lets say the new Kagdilla records release, mine costs me 5 times more, meaning my title would have to sell 5 times more to break even, yet to the uneducated consumer, they will just buy whatever album keeping sales constant, but decreasing the overall sales of each individual label.
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isn't that assuming the customer is dumb? i'm sorry but who in their right mind is going to 'confuse' buying a... tech trance cd.. with... a chill cd... or even night time twisted scando trance cd? people in this scene have very defined tastes, they know what they like and what they don't like. Furthermore this is all in a sub-genre that does not even belong in the kind of music you release (see all of a sudden sub-genre's are important). The issue here is that labels are going to have work a little harder to promote their product then no? that's how markets adapt. people need to stop seeing every small change as thread and rather an opportunity. Imagine for one second, those 8000 labels that are being created, actually released 'good psy' according to your book... wouln't that be 1000 times worse ?
Are labels in the business of selling plastic cd's or selling music? diversify, diversify, diversify...
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exactly...
i buy or rather collect original cd's but my buying totally depends on the music,
if there are 4 gud albums/comp. relesed in a week i buy all of em' (maybe in a few weeks span) but if there is no gud music relesed for 2 mths i dont mind and nor does that lead me to buy 'chemical crew' (jus an example)
so the point that detox is making that old and good labels are fuzzing out jus b'coz there are too many new labels comming up, does'nt seem logical to me.
after all it's a free market and that's how evolution works.
the point is the demand for 'crap music' is always higher then the demand for 'gud music' may it be ne genre (after a few yrs of it's formation)
in india i can talk of if i have a store i'll sell more of skazi or void then of maybe Jaia or Elysium.
now look at a point of view and intent of a shop/site owner he has to feed himself and in turn needs money to live so he prefers keeping the music which gives him volumes.
i agree with u in 1 way that the luv for music has replaced with luv for money,
but that's how every element is corrupted with the touch of money, isn't it??
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goa-ganges
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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 08:35
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Sad about chaos, and IMO there are two main reasons that can explain its closure:
1. Trance music is at its lowest level ever. I used to buy 5,6 Cds a month. Now I can barely listen to the free-listening samples. It´s really ugly. No more magic in it.
2. Specifically in the Chaos, another problem was its unfriendly interface. How can you buy a 8 min track, if you can listen only 1 min of it, and usually the opening minute of the track - which shows nothing of the rest coming?
But, I believe that reason 1, will even close other bigger net-shops. Unfortunately.
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 12:56
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It's interesting to notice that in most other music genres the online sales are increasing and people buy lots of music this way. Actually there's a big buzz in the music industry that sales are really picking up again thanks to shops like iTunes. beatport, Juno and other online shops report massive increase in sales within the last year or so.
The only genre that still lack to increase in sales on Beatport is the psytrance genre (information directly from the staff at beatport).
And I do not see any initiative in the psytrance scene to establish online shops where people can go and download the music directly. There are some small attempts but nothing important. And I can easily understand why people do not jump into such an "adventure". They know they would go bankrupt because the majority in the psytrance scene does not believe in bying music.
The no.1 selling CD's on psyshop. sell around 1000 copies. Impressive 
Maybe we have to take a "radical" step and look at what kind of people this scene attract?
In my opinion there's no doubt about that it's because the big majority in this scene live by the assumption that music should be free and live with the twisted dillusion that all artists in this scene are "rock stars" and make tons of money.
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Pavel
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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 13:02
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When the morons at Beatport will reduce the price to something logical more people will buy there. And when i say logical i mean 1$ per track. Like on iTunes.
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hercules
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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 13:20
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very sad news about chaos unlimited.
detox has on one way right about the huge numbers of labels,artists...
but what makes me feel suspicious is that all big names of our scene lost their interest on producing trax and are focusing on different kind of music..
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dtmoney
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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 17:41
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Very sad news indeed.
I don't know though, I always bought my music from psyshop though.
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Bender B. Rodriguez
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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 18:02
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It`s a matter of time when all of this is, as we know it, is going to end... |
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Aug 26, 2006 19:26
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welcome grim reaper! take a few on your way out aswell please!
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 01:31
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hey Detox, dont be sad becouse your taste of music is so yesterday.... perhaps you should try get another job or something
I heard they hire ppl at Mc Donalds... Send them your CV 
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 01:34
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anyways... sad news that they are closing... 
but don't blaim the labels... Chaos unlimited choose whatever they want to have in stock!
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DETOX
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 01:53
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On 2006-08-28 01:34, Dennis the menace wrote:
Chaos unlimited choose whatever they want to have in stock!
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Oh do they?
How little you know my friend...
P.S By the way i operate my label mostly as a hobby,no money to be made out of selling cds unfortunately,unless ofcourse you sign your artists for free and pretend to give the profits away on charities....
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 01:54
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On 2006-08-28 01:53, DETOX wrote:
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On 2006-08-28 01:34, Dennis the menace wrote:
Chaos unlimited choose whatever they want to have in stock!
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Oh do they?
How little you know my friend...
P.S By the way i operate my label mostly as a hobby,no money to be made out of selling cds unfortunately,unless ofcourse you sign your artists for free and pretend to give the money away on charities....
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How little you know my friend...
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Evil Fucker
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 10:04
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Yeah DETOX maybe you should start collecting Elvis Presley unreleased tracks heheheh ! |
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Raoul V
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 10:40
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I think most of the concerns viewed in this thread, are absolutely justifiable... maybe detox's way of saying it is a bit brash but it is becoming more and more of a problem..
Take india where i live, we have more friggin trance labels than trance artists!!! You laugh, but every kid who can afford to buy 9 tracks of an artist, and wants to be a dj, starts a label... its getting a bit ridiculous.... i personally feel the quality of stuff being released on an international level has dimished greatly.... tracks are getting shorter... less creative... more sterotypical and thats because anyone with a computer and half decent speakers is sending demo's to everylabel he can find.... and whats worse is the label's actually WANT these tracks cuz they sell for less than free....
This problem is only going to get worse, i feel...
Again this is my opinion, and you may not agree entirely......
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Acidhive
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Posted : Aug 28, 2006 11:33
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The best thing to do is to stay true to yourself. Listen online and only buy what you think is great. If the 10.000th label is started by some kid and it releases crap, why pay attention to it? I only buy what I like, I've been doing that for years now and it's a good way to just go on without complaining. Sure, it bothers me that in quality a lot of artists diminish and fall short, look at all the Israeli superstars wannabe's.
But hey, honestly, look at the metalscene. In deathmetal there are soooo many bands and so many are similar that person A has a liking for a band like Malignancy, while person B listens to Mangled Atrocity for instance and both of these persons don't even know the other band exists. And still the metalscene thrives after all these years.
"Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
[Esoteric: Subconscious Dissolution Into The Continuum] |
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