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other_reality
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Posted : Sep 15, 2006 22:48
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http://www.layla.co.il/campaign/pepsi/
best music stays underground and unreleased
hard to find - unadvertised
Psytrance is about underground, not "artists" with a plain PC background and a lust for fame and euros. Money is where madonna's at, or that lame "50cent" dude.
(and it isn't new : remember Matsuri, remember the old T.I.P, remember Flying-Rhino where are they now, when music is about euros, huh ? )
  Bring yourselves into the light
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Sep 16, 2006 01:11
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On 2006-09-15 22:48, other_reality wrote:
http://www.layla.co.il/campaign/pepsi/
best music stays underground and unreleased
hard to find - unadvertised
Psytrance is about underground, not "artists" with a plain PC background and a lust for fame and euros. Money is where madonna's at, or that lame "50cent" dude.
(and it isn't new : remember Matsuri, remember the old T.I.P, remember Flying-Rhino where are they now, when music is about euros, huh ? )
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To your information more artists made much more money back in the good old days from releases. Far more than today where it's only a handful that make money out of their releases. The money's always been there from day one. And there's nothing wrong with that. Even artists need to eat too.
It's widely misunderstood that the good old days had no money involved and was all about "the pure music". Wrong!
It was just more "innocent" and less exploided than today. But make no mistake. The money was there and far more artists did quite good than compared with today.
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vegetal
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Posted : Sep 16, 2006 06:17
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Sep 16, 2006 15:23
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On 2006-09-16 06:17, vegetal wrote:
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Seen any bank accounts lately to prove your point?
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And one more time for you 
In the "good old days" people bought the music. Much more artist (volume wise) sold music. Not as today where its a small handful that sell due to various reasons.
More artists could live of their releases whereas today most can't.
So the point was that there's not more money involved in today's scene than 10 years ago. There's just many many more artist and labels involved sharing the "pot" and not so much desire from people to buy music anymore.
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vegetal
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Posted : Sep 16, 2006 18:00
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Sep 16, 2006 18:31
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On 2006-09-16 18:00, vegetal wrote:
I´d say repeat it, i still just see your own reflection. No facts yet . Still waiting johnnyboy
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I dont have to proove anything and it's certantly not my own reflection. Any one know that compared to 10 years ago the sales are way way down in this scene whenit come to CD sale (not including downloads).. You do not have to be a rocket sientist to know that.
Furthermore I would nice if you could stop your arrogant way of replying. It does not suit you very well and does not contribute to a polite debate climate.
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Sep 16, 2006 18:35
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Freeflow
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Posted : Sep 16, 2006 19:08
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Sell weed not music! 
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vegetal
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Posted : Sep 16, 2006 22:40
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Pavel
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Posted : Sep 22, 2006 17:54
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Furthermore I would nice if you could stop your arrogant way of replying. It does not suit you very well and does not contribute to a polite debate climate.
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But i love you johnny can´t you see im reaching out my had to ya.
-Take my hand boy!
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I can only guess where it visited before
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Elad
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Posted : Sep 22, 2006 20:00
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ocelot
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Posted : Sep 29, 2006 09:28
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On 2006-09-05 15:51, neuromantik wrote:
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On 2006-09-05 15:21, psytones wrote:
Quality production or quality psychedelic music? What are you guys discussing? Because you know what, Shiva Shidapu had BAD quality, but the FINEST QUALITY in psychedelic music. Erez used an old tracker. So shit man, people can make quality music with crappy computers and shitty speakers. Who cares about the production quality when the cosmic production is top notch. But I'm proberly off topic, as usual, so please have me excused 
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No, you're stop ON TOPIC. People here seem to be confusing the two. Quality productions entails money as Datakult stated. Quality "music" cannot really be determined, but for me it entails imagination, powerful rhythms, good atmosphere, and how I interpret psychedelia in music which is subtle effects and holographic/3d sounds. But again, that is what I would call quality music. It is different for everyone.
I for one without a doubt prefer the musical side of rather than the production side. I mean, Metallica's "Master of Puppets" sounds like shit compared to the Black album, but it kicks its ass in so many ways. Now granted, Penta or Ocelot may not have the same quality of production as for instance Xerox or Wrecked Machines, but IMHO their music overflows with much more creativity and psychedelia and POWER.
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hey thanks for the compliment but i will happily pit the production values on my new album PsyMatiX (coming soon Dropout Productions) against anything "big name" psy or otherwise- im convinced it will compare well. good monitors help:)
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Triton
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Posted : Sep 30, 2006 02:03
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Its sad to see business related to psytrance close but im sure they have commited they own sins rather than blame the overflood of labels for it, its silly.
The appereance of a billion new labels can only be good for us music junkies, now we have the widest menu, music for all tastes, you like dark? u have it, you want full on? there it is. dude, it was something unimaginable few years ago when the twisteds, the flying rhinos and dragonflys were the only ones
From jazz/pop/opera/dance/rock/u name it. there will always been outstanding, good, bad and shit concepts, it happens everywhere! why does psytrance has to be safe of this???
Be honest, what really fuck up things here is GREED
Greed from artists and label managers who think they can get rich for making/pressing secuenced sounds, because producing MUSIC implies a LOT more and making GOOD records take more than just money (YES guys!! not everybody listen to your "music" stoned)
Greed as music consumer for not buying the records we like, very clever 
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