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PoM
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Babaluma
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Posted : Apr 18, 2012 10:53
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fuzulu, yes seconded, you're welcome, haha!
yes, i have a mastering engineer friend in the uk who is using the knif and absolutely loves it, he also has a sontec and the pullet. he turned me on to the crookwood stuff too, which is probably the best mastering purchase i have ever made. i have a custom c1 monitor controller, with 2 x DACs, 1 x ADC, headphone amp and VU meter.
i will let you know if i ever come to paris, it's not too far from milan!
yes, i have been on the dave collins forum for a few years now! there's also the pro sound web mastering forum which is pretty good (and basically inhabited by the same people).
http://repforums.prosoundweb.com/index.php/board,30.0.html
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 18, 2012 14:12
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i have to look more closely to the crookwood mastering console ,how it help you with the workflow?
the monitoring section look great , it would really help me with using my mutliple monitors setup.
i was looking at the small m1 too bad it dont support parrallel analog processing .
first i need a good chain,i think i will save more and make no shortcut on a quality mastering eq but what i m afraid, is that these sound very close to plugin ? what do you think? maybe a eq that hype the sound even if it s not flexible would make more difference, in the end i need both but dunno where to start |
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Nectarios
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Posted : Apr 18, 2012 14:40
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I have access to a GML 8200 which is the only high end EQ I have used. It sounds really good, but I would think of a lot more stuff to get before I would get something that like that.
Then again I am not a pro-mastering engineer, I just make tunes.
Peace out.
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Babaluma
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Posted : Apr 18, 2012 15:09
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here's some info on the crookwood i have:
http://www.crookwood.com/~crookwood/c1-monitor-controller/439-c1-4ad-4xp-monitor-controller.html
as i said before, i also had a VU meter and 2 x DACs and an ADC custom fitted, along with the headphone amp and monitor controller sections, so it's a full on mastering workhorse.
i really wouldn't know where to begin with how it has improved my work flow and speed. in every conceivable way possible!
the sound quality of the converters is insane, best i've ever heard. it uses balanced gas filled relays for all switching. i can volume match 4 stereo digital sources and 4 stereo analogue sources to within 1/4dB, and switch between them all with the push of a single button. having the ability to switch between volume matched sources anywhere in the chain means i am never confusing something sounding louder as sounding better.
i dunno mate, the list goes on and on! it's made things much easier and quicker to try out.
the monitor controller section is great, 1dB stepped attenuation, 4 destinations (3 pairs of speakers and headphones). L, R, M, S and phase checking etc.
and it's upgradeable too. right now i have a fixed analogue chain, but it could easily be upgraded to the full mastering console, which would mean i could put any of the inserts (outboard gear) in any order at the push of a button.
if you want M/S for analogue, you can do it with the M/S trimmer pack upgrade. i think this would do the parallel processing you are talking about too. they also have bass management modules, elliptical EQs for vinyl cutting etc.
nectarios, never tried any GML gear but would love to!
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Babaluma
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Posted : Apr 21, 2012 23:31
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 25, 2012 19:25
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if you go for it would be nice if you share your first impression.
totally different sound but there is a great bax eq on the wave arts tube saturator plugin , with a little drive for tube warmth at 96 khz sound really good . |
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Babaluma
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Posted : Apr 25, 2012 21:45
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Cool, yeah, ordering from FunkyJunk in Milan next week! Will definitely post my first impressions.
BTW, there's a freeware PC VST emulation of the Bax you can download here:
http://varietyofsound.wordpress.com/2011/09/26/baxtereq-%E2%80%93-released-today/
Had a little play and it was sounding pretty good.
I'm basically covered for digital EQ, I might upgrade my DDMF LP10 to the Sonoris Mastering EQ at some stage, but will check out the Wave Arts plug you mention.
I know a lot of people may be thinking, "But if you can do it for free in digital, why are you spending so much on the hardware?" Well, of course, there are at least two reasons, 1) THE SOUND!!!, and 2) I really need this at the end of the analogue mastering chain, just before the signal hits the Crookwood ADC. I often find myself needing a little "tilt" one way or the other at this stage, and the HP and LP filters will hopefully be the icing on the cake!
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 25, 2012 23:11
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i demoed the sonoris mastering eq and didn t liked it but used it just once on a tune ,in linear phase it was really smearing the transients ,it suprised me i put it directly in the bin but maybe it was on this material..should have demoed it more but the lp mode was deception to me , their comp seems good too it reminded me the one on the metric halo dsp.
the eq in ozone 5 look intresting too and is suposed to be good, it even have a mode like the lp10 , have to try it more |
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Babaluma
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Posted : Apr 25, 2012 23:28
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I've demoed the Sonoris EQ before, and loved it. I only went with the DDMF LP10 in the end as it was so much cheaper. It sounds pretty good, but there are a few user interface bugs that annoy me, so I'll upgrade to the Sonoris MEQ at some stage. I also love supporting Pieter, as he's a stand-up guy creating professional tools specifically targeted at mastering engineers, and there aren't many of those around, so I want to support him!
With EQ's that have LP or MP responses, I can tell you that I have NEVER ONCE used LP mode, as it always sounds bad to me. It can be theoretically better as there is no phase smearing, but it has pre-ringing, which, as you have noticed, can smear transients in a nasty way. All analogue EQs are MP, and they usually sound pretty good to me!
Sorry, but I wouldn't touch Ozone with a ten foot barge pole! It's not that the tools are necessarily bad, but I have heard so many things absolutely ruined with it, and I hate the idea of "presets" in mastering, as I believe it just breeds laziness, not to mention the idea of "all in one" mastering processors (Ozone, T-Racks and their ilk). We should only ever be using our ears! I am an unashamed, self confessed, analogue snob though. 
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PoM
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Posted : Apr 25, 2012 23:43
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with ozone 5 you can use the processors as individual plugins but it will cost you 990 $$ if i remember .
the eq and limiter are supposed to be great , i would not be surpised the eq sound on par if not better than the sonoris eqs tbh (for the lp mode) but can t really tell i haven t used these plugs enought but i think you underate izotope ! |
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PoM
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Posted : May 2, 2012 13:35
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1500 euro for the eq based on the sontec mep250 on the stephen muller site i linked at the begining of this thread. i wonder if it s the igor diy projec .
he also make passive pultec style with tube or neve transistor make up amp.
gonna check more closely what he use and will probably order one box from him if it s high quality. |
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PoM
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Posted : May 2, 2012 14:15
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price excl vat ^^ and damn if inside it s as good as how his clones look it gonna sound 
he also make custom gears (1176 with neve make up gain stuff like this ) |
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PoM
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Posted : May 2, 2012 15:46
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i have read only great things about his work !! i m so glad i contacted him it should make me save some money and still get a very high quality eq .
was drooling on his mastering room finished not long ago
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Babaluma
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Posted : May 2, 2012 17:57
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looks nice! i just ordered my bax a couple of days ago, and they are saying it should ship on the 9th, so i'll hopefully have it by the end of next week! will report back after some time with it.
i do wonder what "based" on the sontec really means, and in what ways he is able to cut the price so low.
i'm using the chandler tg2 as make up gain for my pullet passive eq. the tg2 is the same preamp circuit used on the emi recording desks that "abbey road" and "dark side of the moon" were recorded on, so has a very nice vintage tone, which can be very clean or dirty, depending on how hard you drive the input stage.
just listened to the latest squarecad mastering podcast with ed littman, and he's recently been shooting out a sontec, bax, barry porter, ibis and buzz req. he has some interesting things to say about them all!
a nice multi-band parametric is on the cards for me at some stage, but there's no way i could afford any of the above right now. i'll have to stick with a digital parametric for the time being, but i can live with that!
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