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M.o.E.
Amanda
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 07:10
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"Why the hell is all this talk of unity sparking so much disunity. Oh yeah, Nick got excited and said too much. Oh well, he means no offense. Listen, had the GoaPlay people booked a lineup of nothing but dark-psy, I wouldn't have gone, even if the price had been half what I paid. I like happy trance. That's all there is to it. And I think that's what mainly happened here. I don't think anyone boycotted this show, but I do know the promoters were expecting a lot more support from the trance community. I doubt they made back even half of what they put into it. "
People are saying this party is about unity and bringing the psychedelic community together. but seriously people, let's be honest with ourselves because it really was not.
Even though they did book many other genres of psychedelic music, it is a fact that they did not configure the trance lineup to bring people who are into the deeper, heavier types of trance music. They did this, and it excluded a really large percentage of the community. The consequence was that many people were not attracted to the lineup and preferred to go someplace else....a very obvious outcome if you ask me.......if they want to blame someone for the fact that they did not get as many people as they were hoping they should take a look at themselves, rather than lashing out at the people they excluded. it is really unrealistic to ask people to pay $100 and risk their vechiles and lives driving up a mountain to go to a party that does not cater in the least bit to their musical and dancing needs.
and for the record i seriously do not care who GOA play books. i don't expect or hope for them to ever book an artist i like. they are doing their thing, and I respect this. i know all those guys and most of them are really lovely and kind hearted people. we just have different tastes and that's totally cool. i really appreciate what they are doing. i am glad those that did go had such an awsome time.
PEACE!!!!
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nicksynergy
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 07:17
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On 2006-09-28 06:47, paradigm wrote:
im keeping away from this one with a ten foot pool, or maybe even a 12 foot Norwegian....
However, just a few quick FACTS, to end the rumours and specualtion
Symbiosis, choose its date 1st, and they asked for the Lovefest organizers to confirm a date several times before they confirmed stuff on their end. Lovefest was unable to do this due to the all the city permits, and politics needed for such a event. Eventually SF gave the date, and only one date (and a rather bad one at that as it also coincided with Folsom street fair)that Lovefest would be on. At this point the Symbiosis ball was rolling far to much to stop....
This was not a crew stepping on another crew, this was city politics
Now another fact, there were very few "dark trancers" at symbiosis. However there were a few, and some i was quite surprised to see.
However their lack of attendance i think had nothing to do with "boycotting" it, but more the fact that Jahbo was playing lovefest
and come on folks really, Jahbo is to the dark end of trance as Protoculture is to the light end of the spectrum, so who can really blame them for not wanting to miss one of the leaders in their taste of music...
Dont fault the others for the same logic we used for not daring to miss the event we choose to be at
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Thanks for chiming in, Lawrence. All valuable facts, information, and insight. |
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nicksynergy
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 07:21
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On 2006-09-28 07:10, M.o.E. wrote:
"Why the hell is all this talk of unity sparking so much disunity. Oh yeah, Nick got excited and said too much. Oh well, he means no offense. Listen, had the GoaPlay people booked a lineup of nothing but dark-psy, I wouldn't have gone, even if the price had been half what I paid. I like happy trance. That's all there is to it. And I think that's what mainly happened here. I don't think anyone boycotted this show, but I do know the promoters were expecting a lot more support from the trance community. I doubt they made back even half of what they put into it. "
People are saying this party is about unity and bringing the psychedelic community together. but seriously people, let's be honest with ourselves because it really was not.
Even though they did book many other genres of psychedelic music, it is a fact that they did not configure the trance lineup to bring people who are into the deeper, heavier types of trance music. They did this, and it excluded a really large percentage of the community. The consequence was that many people were not attracted to the lineup and preferred to go someplace else....a very obvious outcome if you ask me.......if they want to blame someone for the fact that they did not get as many people as they were hoping they should take a look at themselves, rather than lashing out at the people they excluded. it is really unrealistic to ask people to pay $100 and risk their vechiles and lives driving up a mountain to go to a party that does not cater in the least bit to their musical and dancing needs.
and for the record i seriously do not care who GOA play books. i don't expect or hope for them to ever book an artist i like. they are doing their thing, and I respect this. i know all those guys and most of them are really lovely and kind hearted people. we just have different tastes and that's totally cool. i really appreciate what they are doing. i am glad those that did go had such an awsome time.
PEACE!!!!
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Thanks for that. It adds insight on my part into your character. It is my hope that both the light and the dark psytrance communities in your region continue to flourish as they have.
Please don't take anything said by myself as definitively representative of Symbiosis or GoaPlay. Nothing any of them said led to my assessments of this. My observations were my own, and I'll stand behind and take licks for them. Again, I support the right of people to vote with their dollars and choose the entertainment that suits them.
It is also my hope to work with the MOE crew and the darkpsy community in your area to deliver some of the finest music in your chosen tastes to the Arizona scene. We can do it, and I hope that will happen for us someday. If you make it hard for us because of my words and actions, well, I can accept that too and work within my means to come to an accord. |
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doramey fossillotti
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 07:41
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If there is anyway I can help you out Nick, you know I am there.
Much love and respect. |
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psynthetic
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 07:43
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Well this is getting pretty ugly and personally I'd like to see this thread either die or start to get some facts straight!
First off, Lawrence is right. We chose the symbiosis date first based on the organizers of the love fest letting us know that their date was going to change based on some problems with the city and permits. We never got a 100% confirmation from the organizers of love fest even though we asked for it multiple times so we could get on with our planning, 8 months before the gathering. It was unfortunate that the love fest date then changed late in our planning even though it was the same dates as last year it was not the dates we were led to believe they were going to be. This event was so big we couldn't re-change our dates, flyers, acts, flights had already been made and trust me we couldn't have been more sick to our stomach to know that we were competing against the parade.
Secondly, I'm a bit dissapointed in your assesment Amanda. Go Out and Play has booked all kind of artists in the past, including the deeper, heavier types of music you speak of.
I think some of your first gigs were at the Taco Portal if I remember correctly? Mubali, Ghreg on Earth, Dylalian, Quasar...the list goes on and on!
We were the first crew to bring freaking Xenomorph to the states which in my opinion was the start of the whole dark-psy movement in San Francisco. As well as Nuromoter who was also very important in the movement I'd say. So if you want to get specific, g.o.a.Play is pretty much responsible for the music that you now love being brought to the bay area in the first place! But I'm glad that you don't care who we book now, it makes us feel all warm and fuzzy.
Now for a true statement...NONE of the g.o.a.Play dj's has ever been booked for a MOE party, NONE! Yet we have booked dj's and acts from every other collective in the bay area including MOE over the last 7 years! Now who's is purposefully configuring the lineup to not bring people out who enjoy the lighter side of trance?
And trust me if you thought 100 dollars was too much for that party then you obviously didn't go because I had people saying that they would have paid twice as much for what we did. It wasn't an unrealistic price at all for what we offered, and the 1000 or so people that paid didn't think so either.
I love all of you guys, but I think everybody has forgotten very quickly about all the work this collective has done for the greater good of the whole community for a lot of years! We have changed and will continue to change but please don't accuse us of purposefully arranging lineups to exclude any group of people, did you see how many different types of music we had? Believe it or not some of it was very heavy and dark.
If anybody should feel excluded it's us after giving others so many chances to express themselves at our events but never having that returned in kind. Like communities shouldn't be seperated by differences in musical taste, but joined by the shared goals that we all have for this world. It didn't used to be that way...why is it now??? |
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nicksynergy
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 08:18
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Wow, Paul, lay it down a bit for us, won't you?
I won't let this thread die, because it's MY thread and I have a LOT more ideas to share with ALL of you. Whether you choose to accept them, consider them, read them, or process them is entirely up to each of you!
I personally would have paid $1000 to go to this event if I could have. I'm glad I didn't have to. I'm glad that I went to this instead of Burning Man and that I know I had more fun at this than I would have at Burning Man this year. I likely would have spent $1000 to go to Burning Man.
The GoaPlay team has done a lot for the trance scene in this country, and for that they are Trance Troopers. I have made, and will make it my first priority to book a GoaPlay DJ (and that means you, Paul) for an event here in Arizona, where that DJ can play, get paid, accept our warm hospitality, and have fun here without having to lift a finger to make anything happen. Any DJ we book to play here can count on the same luxuries.
Why do I offer this to Paul? Is it because he gave me a rocking psytrance experience? Yes, partially, but first and foremost it's because I've heard him play before and I liked what I heard. I want him to do it here. I will offer MANY of you the same opportunities.
Paul, hit me up and I will MAKE IT HAPPEN.
That is all. |
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nicksynergy
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 08:22
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On 2006-09-28 07:43, psynthetic wrote:
Like communities shouldn't be seperated by differences in musical taste, but joined by the shared goals that we all have for this world. It didn't used to be that way...why is it now???
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These shared goals you speak of are something I am working to make everyone aware of, and is thus the purpose of this entire thread. |
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M.o.E.
Amanda
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 09:01
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Hey Paul,
Like I said before I like all of you guyz and really appreciate what you have done for the community (please reread the last paragraph of my previous post). I said that I do not care who you book, because i was trying to express that I am not upset about the fact that you did not include any artists of our genre for this particular festival.
I either did not live in the bay area, or was not so hip to the trance scene when you were bringing people like Xenomorph so i really had no idea that GOA play is the reason for why there is a such a strong dark trance scene here in SF. I always thought GIL orgainzers had a lot to do with this, but, thank you for enlightening me to how important you are in this aspect.
I remember Taco Portal dayz, that was a really awsome time....and it really did a lot to unify the SF scene and yes you guys were including a lot of people 3.5 years ago. I have not forgotten this....this was one of the funnest summers of my life so far!
However, my observation (it is not a criticsm) is that this particular event, and the last Symbiosis did not do a whole lot include the dark scene. Maybe one artist (GoE) played last year. This is hardly a balanced lineup, so don't claim that there is something for everyone, cause there wasn't.
Please don't get offended by my observation, it is not my intention to upset you. But this is where I am coming from when I say that GOA play did exclude a large part of the community in this event. They did, and that is a fact. If you don't want to think of yourself like this then maybe for the next festival you can make an effort to reach out to us more and we can create something more along the lines of what you guys used to do at Taco Portal. And if you don't want to becuase our music really irritates you, then that is totally cool. I understand that many people are not into what we do...that is fine.
And you totally are right on with your observation that we do not book people that play light trance.....we don't.
the difference between us is that we are not claiming that our events are for the entire psychedelic trance community, becuase they are not, and we are totally upfront and honest about this.
***we are trying to divide or exclude anybody by this***
MoE is a record label that has a very specific style, and vision. It is more intense and that is a bit challanging for many people. However, there is a small group that really lives for the type of experience they get at our events, which can only be achieved through the intensity of the music that we play....so we will continue to do things this way because it is really important for many in our community (ourselves included). I am sorry if you do not like what we do. It has nothing to do with you guys personally, we just like different things......what is wrong with that?
MoE has never done a big festival like Symbiosis. However, megan, dylan and some others from around the USA are now planning a festival next summer....and for this they intend to book people from all styles of trance....both dark and light.....so if you want i am sure you and all the other GOA play djs will be welcome to play (-=
***P.L.U.R.***
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nicksynergy
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 09:08
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Wow Amanda... Thanks for the kind response! It looks like there is a lot of misunderstanding in the trance scene and that steps are being taken to resolve it! I hope I can help in this regard! |
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psynthetic
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 09:39
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Amanda, we never claimed to represent the entire psychedelic trance community. What we are trying to do is build the psychedelic community up as a whole, not just trance. With all of the jambands, hip hop, breakbeats, dnb, and dubstep that we had we were trying to gently introduce people to the psytrance music that we love. Unfortunately there is nothing gentle about the style of music that MOE puts out and brings to their events. On the jamband message boards as well as the symbiosis tribe list there are already people who are complaining that the 12 hours of psytrance that we had on Saturday night was to dark, heavy, and even stated that it was like Armageddon for them.
How do you think they would have felt if the music was actually dark, heavy, and Armageddon like? There is a responsiblility by us as promoters to be aware of the damage that can be triggered by heavy psychedelic energy and heavy psychedelic music to those who have never heard that type of psytrance before.
As a multi-genre festival I think we are already WAY pushing the boundries of what the normal festival goer can handle, which is evident by the message board comments I've read. Maybe in the future that music will have a place at Symbiosis as the music becomes more familiar with those who haven't heard it before. We are not looking to traumatize anyone, but the fact is even with the music that we had some people were actually forced to leave early because they just couldn't take it anymore.
I gurantee if you would have come you would have not only found music that you liked, but you would have been with the community of people that you love and that love you. It should be the people of the community that ultimately bring us together and not the music. I can understand if it was all light and fluffy psytrance but it wasn't, it was a broad range of very talented people playing some of the most cutting edge multi-genre music available today.
How you can be upset about us not booking any artist to cater to your taste and then state that you don't book light trance artists is beyond me? And please realize that when the Gil parties were happening years ago there wasn't a community seperated by light and dark trance, it was just a community that was joined by a passion to gather intentionally. That seperation is recent, dark and light trance used to share the same stage, the same sets, the same parties, the same people. |
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M.o.E.
Amanda
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 10:47
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ahh geeze..... please re read my post. paul....i explicitly said that i was NOT upset with you for not booking artists of my taste. please stop twisting my words around. it is really not fair or very nice, and kind of deceptive.
well here i will just quote it again so we can clear this up:
"I said that I do not care who you book, because i was trying to express that I am NOT upset about the fact that you did not include any artists of our genre for this particular festival. "
anywayz......i see what you guyz are doing. you are trying to build a community and expose more people to psytrance. that is awsome. i really respect and admire your mission. and like i said before, i completely understand why you think our style does not fit in.
there is no doubt in my mind that if i went to your party i would have had fun because of the lovely people there....even if the styles of music there really are not my cup of tea.
the scene has really changed in the past several years. much of this is due to the fact that the music and people have evolved. In my opinion I think all artistic and cultural movements should evolve, otherwise they grow stagnant and die. when i first started going to parties i don't even remember there being a dark/light thing......but i do remember preferring the more intense things.....now that many people have started making their own music and throwing their own parties, they focus on those elements that they touched them the most deeply. There is nothing wrong with this.
As people are inspired to throw parties we can only expect them to be different from one another. no two persons view of this universe can be equal, therefore, we will all create something that is unique. I personally think this is really amazing and look foward to seeing what the future holds.
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Catalyx
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 13:03
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On 2006-09-27 07:02, nicksynergy wrote:
I hereby pay them money to purchase space to honor Trance Troopers I know of, which include the Mistresses of Evil (which I wrongly snapped at/insulted, but will try to make it up to), and Mr. Catalyx
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let's get one thing straight here, i am a Trance Ninja!
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Basilisk
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 16:27
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What was the idea again? A psychedelic soap opera? 
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psynthetic
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 21:07
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Amanda, I'm really not trying to twist your words at all my appologies if it came off that way. From your last post when I read your quote...
"when I say that GOA play did exclude a large part of the community in this event. They did, and that is a fact. If you don't want to think of yourself like this then maybe for the next festival you can make an effort to reach out to us more and we can create something more along the lines of what you guys used to do at Taco Portal."
I don't think this is the case at all, we don't feel like we left anybody out of this event and we don't want anybody to feel like they were left out. That is so opposite of what this whole event was about for us and to hear that people are so sure that this was done to intentionally leave a certain group of people out is a bit bothersome.
Believe it or not, I missed you and Megan, and Christine, and Quasar, and Mubali, and on and on and on. You guys have been my friends for years, some of you my very good friends and it was a shame to put in these months of hard work for the biggest festival that California has ever seen and to not have some of our best friends there to see it based on the fact that we didn't book certain artists.
This idea to introduce new people to psytrance will undoubtably lead people to your parties and your style of music as well. So it's eventually going to be a win win for the MOE crew in the future too and I hope you all see that.
Oh yeah, didn't MOE who doesn't book light psytrance artist do a party with psybooty once ;o)
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Sep 28, 2006 22:06
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actually, i've gotten better response from the jam band people when playing twisted uplifting music like Fractal Cowboys or Mubali than most of the "happy" morning full-on or progressive. it may be counter-intuitive for jaded psytrancers, but it's a factual, honest observation.
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