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give me ure honest opinion why u think psy trance has been destroyed ,all reasons,
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Beat_Kiddo
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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 03:39
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i ve seen the matter of age mentioned many times and i completely disagree...like afriend said,it's not a matter of getting old and boring and stuff like dat,it's more like we want more quality.30 n 40e tickets r too xpensive for an overcrowded place(not always,but many times)with lack of ventilation(most of the times),with a medium to bad sound result and where sometimes u have to wait for ages to get in because it's too crowded.i don't get it y many parties end up overcrowded-in uk(and probably in other countries)they use this really nice system,where a specific number of tickets is sold,so that ppl can dance having enough space.
i don't mind paying 30 or 40 euros since i m gonna b respected,but i don't think the circumstances i prementioned sound like respect :/
Also,too many drugs,at least for my case,in psy trance parties.i m not against,but sometimes it feels like ppl cannot go to a party without drgs.neither do i think that through lsd and e's can give u a "spiritual" xperience which will somehow will connect u with god.even if it was so,such an abuse from ppl(not only in psy scene) and the way they live is fatal and of no use at all(sorry,i need my braincells).
now,the most important was seeing psy trance getting too aggressive,and ppl too-if not in it's majority,but at least in a big part.
finaly,i believe the quality we all search for,comes from a combination from the best elements of everything,including music.trance has not been destroyed,it has been abused in the name of trance.too much kyrie elehson(amen) gets the priest bored...don't know,i don't c it as destruction.i c it as a need for evolution |
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14-year old e-tard
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Posted : Nov 15, 2005 12:02
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On 2005-11-15 03:39, Beat_Kiddo wrote:
in uk(and probably in other countries)they use this really nice system,where a specific number of tickets is sold,so that ppl can dance having enough space.
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Clubs don't do that out of respect for the punters, but because each club is allowed a certain number of people by the fire/health & safety servises, in the club at any one time. If they go over that number and someone from the fire square goes down for inspection, they face serious fines and even their licences might get revoked.
Make no mistake, club owners want to make as much money as they can and only "care" about the punters, because they have to by law.
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Beat_Kiddo
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Posted : Nov 17, 2005 15:42
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even if so,at least they keep some safety rules 14-years-old-e-tard.it's reasonable they care about making money,but don't u think that those who don't stay to this limit want to make money badly,so they don't even care about safety?i wish club owners in greece had to pay such fines,it would b much better for those who go to parties and like to dance a lot:)
ppl don't care if it's because of the law or because of the club owner's good mood that they have enough space to dance,they just care about having enough space to dance |
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VRIL GIA
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 15:24
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I dont think that it's true
but some people try to make it hapen bequse their only purpose is ho they will increase their budget...
hapy new year...
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Narcosis
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 16:36
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On 2005-11-08 03:11, X_RUST wrote:
hey moonsun,wht r u talking about man?blackmails,threats,kidnappings,trance mafia....i think that psy trance is going through her best period 
seriously now,imho,psy trance(the movement)is destroyed because of the greed of many people who saw the trancers like money!
I agree with you friend. Psy-trance is an underground music and in now days its gone to be more (emporiki) so psy-trance is going through her best period.(I thing Dark-psy) replaces psy-trance to the underground music. We r going to hear psy-trance to the radio in a few years im sure. respect 
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piko_bianko
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Posted : Jan 4, 2006 23:47
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stryxninh, that's why
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Noise Maker
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On 2005-11-08 12:15, other_reality wrote:
Yeah, a big welcome back to my all-time fave topic...
Actually, Moonsun, I think that you've just grown up. We have grown up. I mean, lets just face it, it kinda always was like that. The thing is that the "good old days" are never coming back. The next thing is that, and lets again be honest, 90% of the music is crap.
I mean shit man, meaningless copy-paste all over the VA's and big taratata's from all the labels, just until the moment you press play...and,...oh well, same shit again.
And then there are mp3's...That's a big issue as well man, coz I think that this whole -gimme all- attitude has destroyed the concept of music discovery.
Let us not forget that the -gimme all- attitude is also a moto for the club owners and (some) party organisers. In some cases, dj's too. A whole circuitry of money interchange, between more and more -in'betweeners-...Can't have magic and ideology when money is in big time, can you?
Last, but by no means least, is -yeah, you've guessed it- the f*cking drugs. Too many of them, too much of them, and massively given away to all the wrong people, in the worst possible way. In the past, i've read some posts of yours referring to shamanism. Dude, believe me, there's nothing "shamanic" with LSD abuse from 18 year olds in shitholes echoeing with ultra-bpm'ed digital garbage. (25 Euro plus beer).
That's my point of view, and I think that these are the main reasons behind the fall of psychedelic trance. The fall of its pride, and legacy atleast. This will keep on, until the day that something great happens again...Until that day then...
The best post with the best meaning
I don't have nothing to say other_reality
say it all.
The most of the artists make
the same music,wrong drungs in
wrong ppl at the wrong time but
becareful ppl don't acuse all the time
the organizers for everything yes
the money have a part on that
but if we don't have them we don't have parties and some of them(I agree not all) have the skills
the love and the knowledge to do that.
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tanJa
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Posted : Jan 5, 2006 20:00
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behind of every movement there is an ideology. and this is the only matter of every movement's degradation or progress. no comercial side (there were always people who were making money on every kind of subculture), no drugs (since 60s' acid explosion in usa and britain there were always a lot of drugs, and even much more available then nowadays) matter. if sub-culture becomes too comercialized or get threatened by society (like police for drugs matter) it simply turns into underground untill social conditions bring it back to comercial stage again. the history of psychedelic trance (but not trance in general, of course) started basically from goa comunities- from here is the ideaology of psy-trance movement- trips_to_night, deep forests with "elfs" and "smurfs" around, stars&seeshores, happy shiny people+ beautiful and mysterious touch of religious spiritualism of india, so attractive by its open-minded conception of psychedelic character. some people remember parties in goa when there were no famous names yet, no accent on personalities- just gathering of people, culture built yet on enthusiasm. somwhere i read interview with goa gill, where he tells the whole story about how he moved his ass from sn-fransisco to goa, and how things started, and there were a lot of like him, children of 60s-70s, grew up on Woodstock and Summer of Love eves, so no doubt that hippies-movement found reflection in psy-trance ideology. and the same as it happened to hippies movement- psy-trance underground movement attracted so many people, that it became massive almost mainstream. and there where there is massive stream there is always money-making- so we got our precious labels and artists, parties and fest-organizers who gave a lot of wonderful events thanks to them, but they made psy trance culture to be entertainment attraction as well, and the last brought split into psytrance comunity. one part, more "old school", so to say , preffered to stay in ideology charm which makes of course the big influence on music they make and listen(i know such people for whom spiritual background of psy-trance realy means a lot, its almost the whole religion, way of life and trance party its a kind of ritual). some of such people even went more deep into religion itself and listen more oreintal music. the other part are those who concerned more to entertaining side, living usual social way of life and the music is nothing but entertainment. according to the style of life and entertainment is the style of music prevail nowadays. of course people find psychedelia in this music as well,its just the matter of what who defines for himself as psychedelia. but for a lot of people psychedelia doesnt realy means anything or matters anylonger. anyway the style of music which we defined as psychedelic trance basically past away from the scene a while ago along with the sub-culture itself. the music we have now is not psychedelic trance if you want it or not- full-on, psy-tec whatever else, but not that what people called psy-trance. as good old jim morrison said- 'this is the end..'  |
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Hellios
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Posted : Jan 5, 2006 22:42
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Other_ reality s post says it all!!! |
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tanJa
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Posted : Jan 6, 2006 21:09
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On 2006-01-05 22:42, Hellios wrote:
Other_ reality s post says it all!!!
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if your message's considering to me, then you simply dont get the point of what you read, dude. other_reality's point of view is quiet opposite to my one |
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psylocibin
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