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Full on is step by step become Comercial Trance. do you mind ?
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Toghun
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Posted : Apr 10, 2005 21:45
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well i dont know whas gonna happend , if is going to be more comecial or not , really i dont care if one of those things happend , only i care listen trance |
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Turbo Taima
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Posted : Apr 10, 2005 22:39
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How about this...
ALL MUSIC IS COMMERCIAL!
Sure, there are people out there who write music and only perform/play it for themselves and their friends and family. I guess they're the exception, so I'll rephrase my statement. 99.999999999% of music is commercial music, and most of the aforementioned types have greater aspirations.
Does anyone play a live show and hope that nobody comes to hear it? Put out an album and hope that nobody buys it? Of course not. As soon an artist, performer, or band plays a show for money or makes a demo and sends it out to record labels, they're making commercial music. They might not necessarily be in it for the money, but they're putting their work out there in hopes that people will enjoy it, which can't happen unless people buy their concert tickets and CDs.
If one likes an artist or style of music, they should hope for their/its success. Think of it from the artist's perspective. If a band isn't selling tickets and CDs, guess what happens? Their label drops them, nobody will book them, they get discouraged, and they stop making music or change their style. When someone complains about their favorite band or genre getting too commercial or mainstream, they're more than likely just angry that their little secret is getting out and they can't act elite and look down on other people for not liking it. I've been there. I was a ska elitist. I used to complain about the music getting too popular and mainstream bands like Reel Big Fish and Save Ferris. As ska's popularity dwindled, there were less and less shows, and most of the good bands broke up. Ska is pretty much dead now, but Reel Big Fish and their ilk are still around, so which is the worse situation? A few bands in the mainstream will expose more people to the genre. Some of them will dig deeper, discover other artists, buy their music, go to their shows, and allow the underground to survive.
So your favorite underground artist is making some money. As long as they aren't watering down or changing their music for common tastes, GOOD FOR THEM! I think groups like Toxic and Sirius Isness are much more deserving of assloads of cash in the name of musical talent than Britney Spears or A Newfound Glory, and would be happy to see them get it.
Is there something wrong with an artist wanting to make some money off their art? I personally would love to get paid to sit in front of a computer and synthesizers writing music all day and get flown all over the world to do gigs. Does a desire for success make the music any less valid? Influential musicians from Bach to Astral Projection weren't just doing it for the sake of the art. They also wanted to put some food on their tables. Name one great musician who gives/gave away their art or services for free. I didn't think so.
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shahar
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Posted : Apr 10, 2005 23:03
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On 2005-04-07 16:16, Ov3rdos3 wrote:
wether something is "psychedelic" or not is actually NOT a matter of taste. its a matter of being psychedelic or not. its like saying britney spears is psychdedelic , because your taste says it is. thats just not a very smart statement to be honest.
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I don't understand that, mate. If you feel some track is very psychedelic and I feel it's not. And on the other hand I feel that another track is psychedelic and you feel it's not- how do we decide? What gives one definition precedence over the other?
Since we are talking about an experience of an individual, and individual experiences differ almost always, how can it be something universal? I still think it has to be personal.
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full on (most of it) its not truely psychedelic. it is "dumbed-down" psytrance so that more people can enjoy it. but it is not truely psychedelic.
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I actually probably agree with you on that concerning most full on music that comes out these days (including those names you've mentioned)- however, I don't see why other people can feel different about it, and don't see any reason to enforce my feelings on others.
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if youve been in the scene for more than a few years you will not be arguing with me about this.
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hehe... you've picked on the oldest guys in the forum to say that too... 
Dunno about the scene, but I've been partying since 1990, that's a decade and a half, mate. Hundreds of parties, all possible kinds of music, 4 different continents, got more than 1000 trance CDs & vinyls here at home, (after selling about 600 lately)...
Does that give me clearance to argue?
Anyway, I'm not arguing- just pointing out that people are entitled to different views- even about the level of psychedelia in their music.
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EYB
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Posted : Apr 10, 2005 23:27
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On 2005-04-10 21:36, Tasos_NOtrea wrote:
EYB with drugs everything is psychedelic.Maybe I am wrong about you but I think that you listen that projects as psychedelic because of drugs.The point is that psy-trance has to be psychedelic without drugs but its own.And I don;t thing that is a matter of taste as someone said but its a matter to be psychedelic or not.I think a lot of people here never heard realy psychedelic music.
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I don't take drugs often. I listen lot of psychedelic music. And i produce psychedelic music. What do u understand under psychedelic music?
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Dovla
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 01:08
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On 2005-04-10 22:39, Turbo Taima wrote:
How about this...
ALL MUSIC IS COMMERCIAL!
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IMHO there are two definitions of the word commercial...you said the first one...that all music is made to be bought and therefore a commercial product regardless of the music itself...but the second definition is about the music itself that is produced...meaning that commercial trance would be something that was made with the ambition to be printed and sold in the biggest possible number and made to make as much money or attract the biggest amount of people as possible...that is how I often tend to use this word...
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Neville Bone
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 10:31
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On 2005-04-10 21:36, Tasos_NOtrea wrote:
EYB with drugs everything is psychedelic.Maybe I am wrong about you but I think that you listen that projects as psychedelic because of drugs.The point is that psy-trance has to be psychedelic without drugs but its own.And I don;t thing that is a matter of taste as someone said but its a matter to be psychedelic or not.I think a lot of people here never heard realy psychedelic music.
Respect.
I agree with your comments fully Tasos although many will not agree with us but those who won't agree with us are probably the ones who never listened to real psychedelic music. |
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EYB
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 11:04
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Neville, what is psychedelic music?
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 11:11
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CRX(HSS Records)
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 11:48
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I agree with this friend by according to the majotity of the isra crew ,this type of music is described as dark full-on.
so to get back to the topic is full-on getting commercial?don't think so...
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Neville Bone
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 13:06
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On 2005-04-11 11:04, EYB wrote:
Neville, what is psychedelic music?
What are psychedlic drugs?
Drugs that make an effect mainly on the mind and less on the body!
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EYB
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 15:52
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On 2005-04-11 13:06, Neville Bone wrote:
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On 2005-04-11 11:04, EYB wrote:
Neville, what is psychedelic music?
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What are psychedlic drugs?
Drugs that make an effect mainly on the mind and less on the body!
So is psychedelic musiC!
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So music is psychedelic if its effecting my mind, but not my body? What do u mean physical effects on my body? For example some 'crap popradio music' is psychedelic coz i don't like it (it effects my mind to not like it) and it don't effecting my body.
No thats not a explanation for psychedelic.
So whats psychedelic music?
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Acidhive
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 16:12
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I really don't care that full on is getting more "commercial" (if that's the correct term for it). What I DO care for however, is melodies. And it seems those are coming back again. A while ago I was starting to lose my faith in full on a little, but some of the compilations of late have put me back on track. Take the Spaceboard compilation. While its cover is pretty stupid I've grown to like it anyway because of some of these excellent melodies. If you know my idea of great full on is more the Protoculture style of things, then it's apparent I like my melodies. And those are more apparent these days so that's a good thing. And consider this: psytrance will never be commercial. The songs are too long and they're not shallow enough. There IS one thing I don't like though, and that is when psytrance gets laden with vocals. Now THAT would be something to talk about (but I guess that's been done before) 
Oh, and to the question: what is psychedelic music? IMO psychedelic music is music that you have to LISTEN to to understand it fully. So, not your average pop tune like Britney Spears. Good psychedelic is music that's hard to understand, but once you do it's really good. I've got an old song in mind for this: Shaolin Wooden Men - Remember The Slime. Only if you've listened this song a few times can you truly appreciate it (If you're interested in that song, you can find it on Pulse 5. That's an old psytrance compilation from 1997)
Also, good psychedelic music is music that can change your bodily state (ie get in a trance) without the use of drugs. "Subconscious unravels at the point of death, and all time it has known erupts into a moment. As death extinguishes us, so we become it."
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Neville Bone
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 17:21
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EYB my friend,
what i meant was that if a good quality psychedelic track is being played you don't even need to make your body move (dance) to appreciate it cause you can simply close your eyes and flow with it (even without the use of drugs).
Yes.if psy drugs & psy music are combined you can then go on discovering new worlds.
Psychedlic music effects the brain (sorry that's what I meant with mind) and touches your heart in way that non psychedelic does not.
Music wich is just good to make you dance and that's it is not good psychedelic music.
It's still good and I still appreciate it and I still dance to it if it's of good quality but I'd say:
This is a good dance tune.
For me for the best psychedelic music I heard was at Soplipse Hungary 1999.
Phewwww....!
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EYB
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 17:46
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Ok i got what u mean
1200 mics effects my brain, and i can close my eyes and follow the music, so it is psychedelic music for me
Peace
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Neville Bone
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Posted : Apr 11, 2005 18:01
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On 2005-04-11 17:46, EYB wrote:
Ok i got what u mean
1200 mics effects my brain, and i can close my eyes and follow the music, so it is psychedelic music for me
Peace
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Yep!
If that's how 1200 mics effect you so that is psychedelic music for you.
And although 1200 mics are not in my top list I agree with you that they can be called psychedelic
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