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Full on is step by step become Comercial Trance. do you mind ?

mafkaroo


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Posted : Apr 5, 2005 14:35
@Bharath
Not related to above answers but to answer your question, I equate commercial with cheese.
This means lots of tracks using the same sounds because the formula/style of sounds works, and is popular. With psy-trance I guess this means lots of standard saws and IM cloned type sounds.

Also think back to '99 when house/club trance literally exploded in Ibiza, with deluges of tracks of a similar style that shortly after became the staple for lots of pop trance songs in music charts globally.
Before that even club trance was relatively unknown in dance music circles.

Possibly with full-on as being defined as commercial is an exaggeration but it generally means formulaic and successful, but also liable to collapse under its own exposure as people become quickly bored of it.
buzzee
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Posted : Apr 5, 2005 16:22
What does commercial mean?
I think it differs in case of every Individuals.....

And yes..If full on is commercial...how does it matter...?
Ov3rdos3


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Posted : Apr 5, 2005 16:28
Quote:

On 2005-04-05 16:22, buzzee wrote:
What does commercial mean?
I think it differs in case of every Individuals.....

And yes..If full on is commercial...how does it matter...?



the minute something becomes "cool" and mainstream, then it becomes commercial. it does matter, because the scene is starting to follow the "masses" and what works for "most" people. following a distince pattern that works "in general". commercial full on is a result of people making music for money and not for the love of music anymore. they are making music that appeals to a large audience and not a special select few, like it used to be, so as to attract more people, so as to make more $$$. sad but true.
Yellow Warrior
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Posted : Apr 5, 2005 17:31
Quote:

On 2005-04-05 14:35, mafkaroo wrote:
@Bharath
Not related to above answers but to answer your question, I equate commercial with cheese.
This means lots of tracks using the same sounds because the formula/style of sounds works, and is popular. With psy-trance I guess this means lots of standard saws and IM cloned type sounds.

Also think back to '99 when house/club trance literally exploded in Ibiza, with deluges of tracks of a similar style that shortly after became the staple for lots of pop trance songs in music charts globally.
Before that even club trance was relatively unknown in dance music circles.

Possibly with full-on as being defined as commercial is an exaggeration but it generally means formulaic and successful, but also liable to collapse under its own exposure as people become quickly bored of it.



Thanks for that mafkaroo!

Artists should make cheesy Full-On for the masses(it'll probably take them like a weekend to do anyway), make your money, and use that to invest in new equipment or whatever you guys need to give us fresh as flower new Psychedelia!

Please you good people!!

Doesn't Juno Reactor do that? I mean, doesn't he make music for movies and all that and then at the same time doesn't he still make good psychedelic music?
Maybe more artists could follow his footsteps,no?

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Neville Bone
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Posted : Apr 5, 2005 17:37
Trance in general has become commercial!
Very few artists are producing good music nowadays but I am sure that pure trance will return one day!
Ov3rdos3


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Posted : Apr 5, 2005 17:57
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On 2005-04-05 17:31, Bharath wrote:
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On 2005-04-05 14:35, mafkaroo wrote:
Doesn't Juno Reactor do that? I mean, doesn't he make music for movies and all that and then at the same time doesn't he still make good psychedelic music?
Maybe more artists could follow his footsteps,no?






yeah, but juno reactor is the only one. they make great tunes and yes, they do stuff for movies too. but they still make music for the love of music. they are original and follow their own path. they are 1% of the general so you cannot use them as an example.

i know infected is trying to follow this path too. pity they make crap music now
psychedelicious


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Posted : Apr 5, 2005 21:57
pffffffffffff

so when u read the name of a full on artist u r not curious how would the track sound ?
scraper
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 00:26
I too am not really happy with the full on scene nowadays. and yet, I enjoy trance music these days more than ever. there are so many quality releases that don't get the credit they deserve. there are so many classics worth another spin. there are so many underground parties worth going too. where commercialism and what this and many other discussions are about don't exist. so instead of making a big problem out of it, try to ignore it. it will be gone sooner or later. I hope.
TweekerD


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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 14:49
It seems to me that "full-on" and "commercial trance" are mostly synonymous....it's all a matter of definition, but as I understand, everything that can be put under the "full-on" label can be just as well put into the "commercial trance" label....

try psychedelic, i think that's more like it for non-commercial

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Ov3rdos3


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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 14:53
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On 2005-04-05 21:57, psychedelicious wrote:
pffffffffffff

so when u read the name of a full on artist u r not curious how would the track sound ?



no.

full on is not real psychedelic trance. sorry. if youve been around the scene for more than 7 years, you'd understand.
Dovla
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 15:27
If I have to choose between full on becoming comercial trance music and progressive becoming house music I choose full on...I really hate some new progressive trance labels that are actually house labels...

there is nothing comercial about this music, sure there are parties with 10 000+ people and shitty music but there aren't really a lot of those around, most parties are small with music that is released in very small numbers and as far as I see it, there is nothing profitable from that...artists that make the jump from this scene to the really comercial one will be forgoten here, like infected mushroom for example...I really don't care about what they release anymore since they're making pop music now

on the other hand the music itself is becoming more and more like the crappy euro trance that paul van dyk and tiesto play but again, most of the artists still don't make that sort of stuff...I think trance is still pretty much interesting and there will always be smaller labels and artists that will make good groundbreaking music...

and of course, we still have twisted records
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Tasos_NOtrea
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 16:09
I stoped listen full on except few artists that still produce amazing music.I don't want to hear anymore that plastic sound like niaou niaou that almost every full on track contains.And yes there is commercial for sure and the most full on artists and of course the newcomers for sure are copying (not inspired) Astrix,Skazi,GMS etc because they want to hear their tracks at massive events...that's why this style is stuck whithout evolution.Only few artists like dado,dino,antidote some others from Twisted,Dragonfly and Solstice still making great music using acid sounds and not the cheesy plastic sound that supposed give to the tracks a touch of madness etc...Dovla said that progressive trance became house...I don't think so..It just evolving using some house elements.However I find it much more psychedelic than full on.There are a lot of other styles of psy trance evolving with other kinds of music.Don't be stucked only to full on because it doesn't remind you other kinds of music that you don't like...There are no borders in electronic music..And for sure experimental music can't be commercial because of easy listening (actually experimental music styles can't be easy listening for all) but beacause it's of its unique and quality..
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Electrip
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 17:50
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On 2005-04-05 13:49, Bharath wrote:
Someone Please tell me what does commercial trance mean?

Is it commercial because a cd sells a lot or is it commercial because people from outside the 'scene' listen to the music a lot or do some people just label the music as "commercial" just because they don't like the music. or is it music made for the general public?

Whats does this commercial mean? How do you define commercial? Also, does commercial music mean its bad music?

Me personally will listen to anything that sounds good to MY ears! Why does it have to be such a big issue?

I'll be grateful if someone can please explain this coz its doing my head in!






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The key line in my opinion- commercial isn't necceserly mean bad :Q
Ov3rdos3


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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 18:35
Bharath:

"why does it have to be such a big issue"

simple. the more commercial it gets, the less psychedelic it tends to get. now i dont know about you. but i like listening to psychedelic trance when i go to a party. not hardhouse with psychedelic sounds (a.k.a Full-on) and basslines that will bore me to death after a few hours.

music that used to appeal to a small select group of people has now had to adapt for a larger following and has as a result, lost most of what made it so wonderful.

more and more and more people are finding out about the scene, and its having to cater for all of them. as diverse as they are. and as a result is becoming less and less personal. it is the pop industry repeating itself. look at the pop scene today. incredibly rich. but a load of absolute garbage.

and to answer your question: "is commercial bad" in most cases yet. the minute everyone starts liking something, it immediatly becomes "the norm" and therefor losing its edgy appeal.

now before i get flamed to death. i do believe that the scene is going probably split eventually again. you will have the skazi / full-on / glowstick-faeries / killaaaaaaaaarr followers and then you will have the psychedelic trance followers and it will filter out all the crap once more and all will be well.

we can only hope.
Neville Bone
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Posted : Apr 6, 2005 19:30
[quote]
On 2005-04-06 18:35, Ov3rdos3 wrote:

simple. the more commercial it gets, the less psychedelic it tends to get. no i like listening to psychedelic trance when i go to a party. not hardhouse with psychedelic sounds (a.k.a Full-on) and basslines that will bore me to death after a few hours.



more and more and more people are finding out about the scene, and its having to cater for all of them.
the minute everyone starts liking something, it immediatly becomes "the norm" and therefor losing its edgy appeal.
. i do believe that the scene is going probably split eventually again. you will have the skazi / full-on / glowstick-faeries / killaaaaaaaaarr followers and then you will have the psychedelic trance followers and it will filter out all the crap once more and all will be well.

Yeeep!
I agree with you once again overdose.
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