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nikur
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 16:57
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There are quite a few Ayahuasca churches out now. Some operating in the US and Europe. |
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 22:33
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How about a party in the Vatican? 
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 22:33
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On 2003-11-04 10:50, DiMiTry wrote:
Not that easy to actually register as a church (religious institution) in the US - tons of paperwork, and they actually investigate you, I hear. never heard of a trance party promoted as an official religious ceremony.
now on the other hand if you wanted to open a College of Trance and Wilderness survival... where a trance party is a legitimate course.. and sell memberships/registration to the college.. nobody without a presale membership would be able to enter without a search warrant.
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Agree with you about the Trance College membership idea. That was nothing short of brilliant. Too bad their website went down, it looks like they really have the feds beat now because they are throwing parties on a regular basis every single weekend now without any problems. If you are on privately owned land and the party is membership only, there is really nothing that can be done. That's in the States though where the right of Free Assembly and Association is something that can't be taken away no matter what.
Here is what Candy was talking about with the religious ceremony idea. I think they whipped the whole thing together in less then 24 hours so maybe it wasn't that complicated. Don't know how airtight it was though.
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php?topic=4661&forum=28
Also check out the "Sacred Dance Society" that was also started in the Bay Area. I haven't heard what these guys have been up to lately though, they definetly have all their bases covered that's for sure.
http://www.sacreddance.org
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Amar
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Posted : Nov 6, 2003 02:14
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Yup, agree with yu there EP that talking bout pagan rites and establishing a "church" etc does sorta convey an implicit str8jacketing kinda idea of trance - and thats against the freedom essence of it.
Hey but yu know what, maybe we could effect a sorta total turn-around of the way in which we understand the meaning of "religion" itself....The R-word based not on some sorta dogma or specific rites but simply on the need for every person to find his/her own truth and meaning...! What d'ya think ?
...atoms to galaxies....its all a cosmic Trance... |
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mubali
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Posted : Nov 6, 2003 03:17
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I actually attended an event here in California a year or so ago... Fusion 2002 (Absolum and Dimitri from TIP) where the authorities posted a sign on the Freeway near the exit to the location (which was on private property I might add) stating "Fusion Event Cancelled". Of course the event really wasn't cancelled, but the authorities were doing their best to prevent that event from happening. They yanked their amplified sound permit to the Fusion event, so the only thing we could do for music the first day was boomboxes. It took a lot of legal work to even let the event happen. What had to happen was all the participants had to leave the property, sign a waiver stating we were joining a church where trance music was included in the worship ceremonies. There was an amplified sound permit issued to an event under a different name and was made a religious gathering. We finally got amplified sound by sundown on Saturday.
I recently threw an event on private property and the land owner was cited for allowing "dancing without a permit." (Recockulous idn't it?) I guess the point of the whole tale is that the authorities do not really care what type of music it is, dancing after 2 am is considered by them a "Rave" and in the United Police State Of America, Rave = Drug Sales + underage debauchery. You can continually attempt to change the status quo on their opinion but all it takes is one instance to mess up the whole thing.
Unfortunately I feel that our government makes far too much money keeping these events illegal and confiscating/redistributing such contraband. Forgive me for the whole conspiracy theory tangent...
Anyway to do any type of event legitimately, there are usually a great deal of hoops you have to jump through to make it happen, and even then it's more than possible that the event will not happen the way it was originally intended. There were strings of larger scale non psytrance events that had to end by 2 or 4 am a couple years ago.
Unfortunately in the United States and I would imagine a lot of other countries as well the only way to keep the scene alive is to keep it underground. Small, tight knit collectives with relatively smaller parties. Everyone is always looking for a loophole to have a festival, but one should remember that for every loophole you use to make your thing happen, there are at least 4 loopholes that can be used to screw you in the end.
This however does make things difficult for having international artists come out to play. Especially when you take into consideration that you have to pay for plane fare , the artists normal fee, and accomodation. What do you do?
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Apocalypse Now
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Posted : Nov 6, 2003 08:36
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mubali, check out that first link I posted. It might sound a little familiar 
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Nov 6, 2003 12:51
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Hehe. I should definitely look into that. I wonder how much leeway the 'authorities' would have in disrupting such a congregation under the guise of 'drug searches' etc.
the college just seems easier, i guess.. after a BM Decomp got busted in Denver two years ago (for collecting donations at the door - therefore 'a rave') , we began to have invitation-only parties where the attendees had to sign their name on the invitation. Police cannot enter an invitation-only 'private' party without a warrant - i am not sure about probable cause (underage drinking, for example) - here we get into legalities...
but this is  sorry
I wonder if there is a website somewhere that talks about legal ways of registering an organization as a church.. I mean, we already have altars at every party - and a preacher up there behind the decks. |
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 6, 2003 13:14
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i guess it varies between nations.. i'd say you'll need something like a thousand people.. after that all you have to do is register your religion..
"The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Nov 6, 2003 13:14
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On 2003-11-05 22:33, Mike A wrote:
How about a party in the Vatican?
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Oh, man, that would be KILLER!!!! Imagine the decor, the faces of the saints staring down at us, winking. That should be a scene in some futuristic Mad Max movie.
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LostBrainCell
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Posted : Nov 6, 2003 18:20
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Aldus Huxley once said (in a 1965 lecture he gave in Santa Clara, California) that hundreds of years from now, when the future Historians will analyze the problems of our age, they will see completely different problems then we see today ("Today's Problems" in our eyes are terrorism, globalization etc..) The main problem, according to Huxley, that these Historians will see is the strong need of a new kind of religion that will unite the inhabitants of this planet with strong ecological roots.
For some time at the end of the 90's, I used to believe that from the Trance Raves Sub-Culture something like this would emerge. Today I think that "Industry" describes Trance-World much much better then "Religion." |
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