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traveller
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Posted : Nov 4, 2003 14:22
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doh..
i'm going to be the psytrance overlord..
evil_parallel_cosmic_fractal_of_shiva_baba_BOOM_killer_UNRLSD-gem.mp3
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karnaf
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Posted : Nov 4, 2003 15:10
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On 2003-11-04 14:16, nectarios wrote:
 Who is going to be the "Psy-Trance God" then?
Traveller?
Is there going to be only one "Psy-Trance God"? Or different ones for different styles?
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We got to have a full-on God, a proggy God, a deep-dark God.
Oh my God, I can see them starting to fight between themselves about tracks - "that's mine!!!"
Starting to sound like the Greek mithology 
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 4, 2003 16:42
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And then the gods will come down to earth, and we'll get semi-gods! 
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Hodi
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Posted : Nov 4, 2003 19:06
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a good name for a track!
u can find "Anything U Want" using the search... |
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Amar
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 02:32
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Nopes elysium project - in this context the religion we r talking abt doesnt have to be something that would cause wars and destruction. No paganism ever caused wars- the very essence of paganism is not an institutional and heirarchical set-up but a subjective each-person to his.her own self approach. A Subjective approach to trying to gan one-ness with the universe, is more than mere religion - it becomes mysticism.
So Trance is inded of such a form - and thast the reason why somebody on the earlier page hit the nail rite on its head by saying - itsnot just disco in the woods.
Maybe we should indeed think abt becoming a church or something... 
...atoms to galaxies....its all a cosmic Trance... |
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traveller
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 02:47
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if you ask me it pretty much is a disco in the woods.. but it's definetly my kind of disco 
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 10:58
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On 2003-11-05 02:32, Amar wrote:
Nopes elysium project - in this context the religion we r talking abt doesnt have to be something that would cause wars and destruction. No paganism ever caused wars- the very essence of paganism is not an institutional and heirarchical set-up but a subjective each-person to his.her own self approach. A Subjective approach to trying to gan one-ness with the universe, is more than mere religion - it becomes mysticism.
So Trance is inded of such a form - and thast the reason why somebody on the earlier page hit the nail rite on its head by saying - itsnot just disco in the woods.
Maybe we should indeed think abt becoming a church or something...
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I do not agree here... To make a religion out of music is just as much brainwashing and trying to convince other to join that religion... Why not just keep it simple... its' music.....!!!!!!
There's no need for more religion in this world.... on the contrary we need less!
And who said that trance = paganism? Isen't that to bound people in a box with the face of religion? I do not believe in paganism so where does that leave me? An outcast from this "wonderful" new religion?
And believe me we are plenty out there that do not see all these "mysterious" and "spiritual" "insights" in trance.... I've been exactly where you are at and thought the same.... Thought that we could save the world and that we were one big happy harmonic family (today I call it "too much drugs"). But I woke up and realized that it's only music.... nothing more nothing less!
So no thanx to another religion. Let the music speak for itself and let people be free!
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Candy
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 11:18
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Yes but trance is much more than music Elysium. It's a way of life.
Majority is never right!
"Without music, life is meaningless."
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nobody_3
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 11:36
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I agree Candy but a way of life does not equal religion
The way of life for you might not be the way of life for me. See what I am talking about?
I just honestly do not understand why people would want to start a new religion. IMO no matter how peaceful that religion is it's still to put people in a box and to exclude people that do not share the same believes!
To me trance have and will always be to express freedom and individuality and indeed uniqueness of the single person - not the "movement"... I was drawn into it because of the fact that no matter what you believe in, nomatter what you look like you're welcome... I loved to see people dancing in suits next to people in street clothes... now that's openmindness.... something you don't see in this scene anymore!!!!
If it was to become a religion then this would no more be reality and the whole ide of the music and scene would be dead... Then you need to share same fundamental views and believes - have rules and binding laws! Like the guy that see trance = paganism... Imagine if Trance now would be the same as believing in Paganism... Then it would be no better than any other religion telling people how to think and act!
Oh and btw I think traveller originally wrote this post in his own unique way of irony - well I hope I am right? .... |
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Mike A
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 11:52
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On 2003-11-05 11:36, Elysium Project wrote:
I just honestly do not understand why people would want to start a new religion. |
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So the police won't bust the parties.
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Kaz
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 11:59
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I'll give you a nice tidbit about quantum mechanics (which many people are quite sure doesn't make the least bit of sense). There's the famous experiment where you make two very thin slits within a reasonably short distance of one another on a barrier of some sort, and then you shine a light from behind the barrier in a way that only those two slits will allow any light to reach the wall. Instead of having two slits viewed on the wall - you get to see much more that are spread around evenly (which quite definately makes less sense than quantum mechanics).
Now, once you put a detecting mechanism of some sort to analyze the light coming out of the slits next to one of the slits - the experiment doesn't work (I will not get into the technical details of this, as quantum mechanics is something that I'm not sure everyone here understands very well - but this, many people argue, is not just senseless but plain stupid).
The moral of this is: Physics does not work properly if you really look at it.
Science is a religion - based on axioms that no one can prove, but seemed to make sense to a few guys that started it. It is exactly as proveable as any belief in God, a set of gods, or just any form of general nonsense. And yes - science has caused many wars, perhaps more so than any other (let alone making wars much deadlier to everyone involved, making them not just very nasty things, but very nasty things on a very big scale). Yet you can be a devout Christian and make scientific breakthroughs. Some of the best mathematicians in history were clergymen (which some people argue not only doesn't make sense, but is rather useless).
One set of beliefs is not mutually exclusive of any other, You can believe in both unity being a good thing and in individuality being a good thing, while believing that toasters created the universe, and it's just taking a while for all the suns to cool down a bit before someone comes to eat them (which some people may argue is not just irrational, but plain stupid).
Trance, whether anyone likes to admit it or not - is ALREADY a religion. It never was just music - no music ever is. The moment someone attaches irrational values to it (or even rational ones, as those are often the ones that make the least common sense - like digital watches being a good idea) it is already become something other than what it is.
Technically - you can just make it official.
Of course, many people would argue, that this entire text is not just sensless, useless and stupid, but also quite insane. http://www.myspace.com/Hooloovoo222 |
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karnaf
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 12:10
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On 2003-11-05 11:59, kaz wrote:
I'll give you a nice tidbit about quantum mechanics (which many people are quite sure doesn't make the least bit of sense). |
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"Nobody understand quantum theory" (Richard P. Feynman Winner of the 1965 Nobel Prize in Physics)
I too believe Trance is more than just music, like any other religion is more than it's books, laws and ceremonies.
Not all religions are bad, not all religions should be based upon the same things.
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nikur
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 13:52
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Kaz you are beautifuly insane!
To make psy trance a religion can be done in the USA, but you have to draw up some kind of guidelines, and the question is does anybody want or need a new religion?
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PIN
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Posted : Nov 5, 2003 14:42
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Here in Brazil we have the Freedom of Religion protect by law as well. It for sure need a big burocratical shit, but it can happen.
We have the "Santo Daime" religion here , that is related to Ayuasca rituals and it is legalized.
Before you get into the ritual you must put your signature in a paper saying that you know that this is a religion and you are doing it because its a religion and bla bla bla.
But they have churches in the middle of nothing and everybody can get there and have it, as long as sign the paper.
I think this religion legalization process happens in all democratical countries. |
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