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Hermione Zap Zap
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Posted : Aug 25, 2007 23:58
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On 2007-08-22 14:46, ~Cortex~ wrote:
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LiPoCat
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Posted : Aug 26, 2007 13:36
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On 2007-08-25 21:13, markkus wrote:
That crew should be in jail!!!
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come on!
why not burning them?
some people should shut up, or engage in police, that's a good job for you my dear! |
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dudu
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Posted : Aug 26, 2007 15:10
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markkus, this is what i call selfish egoistic replay!
The trance community is international,
You forget a few small (BIG) things,
Before trance parties in Spain being legal, or started to be legal, they had there problems and fighting with the police and authorities,
I didn't say it's ok what the freaky dragon crew did,
I said that some mistakes are happening, some are small and some are bigger,
But it's not an excuse to lynch the crew,
and the most important is that ,yes, travelers and reveres lost some money, BUT and this is the most important issue is that this festival traveling and gathering culture couldn't exist without this kind of fighters, and all over the years, the crowed supporting trance crews in there losts/sucsses is an un separate thing of this culture!
And if we will stop this, in the future, me, you and all the trance community will stay with NOTHING except big LEGAL commercial parties, DO YOU PREFER IT LIKE THAT?
So please remember from where all this started and learn to support!
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Hermione Zap Zap
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Posted : Aug 26, 2007 15:39
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you're missing the point dudu
many of us make parties
what we don't do is sell tickets when we know the party is going to be busted and keep taking money for money sake |
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dudu
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Posted : Aug 26, 2007 16:18
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I get the point,
I didn't say it's ok to sell tickets when you are not sure the event is going to happened
I just say don't be such a bitch, they did there mistake and we can protest in a better way and words
And btw- here in Israel we do parties for years with the risks of getting shot down and we are selling presale tickets and ppl (crowd) take the risk with the production,
And when the party is getting shot down
We give full support for the production.
this why we have to support first, and then to complain
look at this:
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/108693/forum/50
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Zoolog
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Posted : Aug 26, 2007 16:40
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And btw- here in Israel we do parties for years with the risks of getting shot down and we are selling presale tickets and ppl (crowd) take the risk with the production,
And when the party is getting shot down
We give full support for the production.
this why we have to support first, and then to complain
look at this:
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/108693/forum/50
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However you choose to make parties in that war zone of yours, i cant see how it has anything to do with this... Maybe you find it "normal" to risk your and others lifes for a party - while others DONT...
If you choose to support it anyways, the guilt/responsibility when somebody dies/get beaten the crap out of, lies partially with you... IMHO
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hallucinator
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Posted : Aug 26, 2007 22:12
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come on people where is the spirit
i dont think the Freaky Dragons Crew want to happen this .. but it happend..
and i want to show support for all travelers all around the world. of course ..
but put in ur side.. if something same will happen to u .. what would u like to do ..
so support its the best choice..
i saw many clips.. and i was feeling terrbile.. what i can say ..everywhere problems with police.. but at least we have to try to do something for psytrance community
lets hope everything will be ok .. and i hope that no one get hurt from polices.. ( fucking guardians )
PLUR !
Lets see Open Minded People here !
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markkus
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Posted : Aug 27, 2007 00:49
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On 2007-08-26 13:36, LiPoCat wrote:
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On 2007-08-25 21:13, markkus wrote:
That crew should be in jail!!!
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come on!
why not burning them?
some people should shut up, or engage in police, that's a good job for you my dear!
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hmmm.. if you were one the ppl that were spanked in that horrible act from the police, i bet you wouldnt say that...
Now, dudu, please dont get me wrong... yes, im pissed off with the organization, because they knew that the festival would never happen, and like Hermione Zap Zap said, they continued to sell tickets.. WHY?... i just cant understand this policy.. is it a serious policy?
"If we don't create our future, our past will create it for us"... |
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F.l.o.W.
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Posted : Aug 27, 2007 16:51
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Hey guys I was long time thinking about if I make a coment about this event and the people, which I know very well and who was responable for organisation and direction.
What you can take for sure is that that at laest Adnan Beganovic (Adygroovy) and Christoph (Chef Boss DragonHunters) are people which are only interested in his own buissness, profits and on his own TRIP  on parties. They steell ideas of other people specialy Adnan from Croatia who is living in Spain.
I have been starting a friendship whith this guy Adnan during one year or something like that and finaly he disaponted me and use my ideas for his publicitie with the local reporters at the suspended festival area in Caspe, telling them they wanted to use benfits of the festival for an humaan been project in India but the idea to do a festival for use benefits on an human been project and found a NGO was myone and Adnan never wanted to help me in this... rediculess realy...this person is realy on his one TRIPļ and Dragon Hunters never was a NGO. They are a cuple of FREAKS when I understand their massege right. When did Crsitoph think in spend benefits in a human aid project.??? LOL
For all the people & freaks who live this movement with love: > be carefull whith this guys they have no spirit in them, no caracter and nothing what they say is true<
The other point is that for do a festival in Spain you need a lot of permisions who I had to learn on my own  expieriences but is not imposible if you have at laest the most important permisions writen on a paper.
Where is this paper? No scaned image here. lol
You need insurecences.... and many more...the law is 100 pages long. I personaly was telling Cristoph and Adnan abuot all this months before. And this law is for all cind of event you do outside or inside in a public or private ground idependentent if it is rock pop or trance event and who it does.
I maen if you wanna do a festival whith 2000 people they wanna see toilets, for them it is not like "I can do my shit ina wood because i am nature people". The law threat all the people as same and so if you have no first Aid, no fire hunters, no way to get 5000 people out when it burns, hours and hours to the next hospital...no potable water for drink...
And finaly when they give you the permission you can not know if it will be posible to run the genrator in order to the whaeter, some days you can run motors in spains nature sometimes not...depended on the temp. and more factors wind ect. and that you can only know one or to days before and it may change.....clima is not to calculate this last years.
And all the festival permision they give they can cancel 12h before when they estimated it is necesary. That is part of the situation in Spain.
Further police here in Spain is like in Francos times rasits and militaries. I am sure there where a lot of inapropiated hits and more brutal atacs....hope nowbody is realy hurt !!! (not talking about the mental shok which have had to be protected from organisation by canceling the festival a month before)
And Crsitoph and Adnan knews since 07.07.2007 that is one month before, a long long time that there will be trouble.... but they didnt care. Weeks and weeks jejeje what a trip....
See the newspapers: http://www.elperiodicodearagon.com/noticias/noticia.asp?pkid=342724
Dont expect nothing from this guys...there only a hope : )
All the best and namaste
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Justin Chaos
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Posted : Aug 27, 2007 18:32
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On 2007-08-26 13:36, LiPoCat wrote:
why not burning them?
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That is, probably, the best idea you've ever expressed.
And...read carefully the F.L.O.W. post
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sYnErGy
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Posted : Aug 28, 2007 01:16
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Hi guys!
I don't think the FreakDragon's crew was bad intentioned.. just a little unresponsible!
organizing such a big event with no authorisations.. come on, it was a big festival not an free underground party... but from my point of view, this crew wanted and fought untill the last time to get authorisations, and it was not their fault not to have them (knowing how public administrations work in Spain). it was not their intention to disappoint anyone.. so they deserve my best wishes (not like in the Shamanik case, which is different).
If I'm not wrong, the FreaksD also hadn't any authorisation last october in Bugarach nor in Perpignan two years ago and nobody complained because those parties really were a big sucess, even with no authorisation. I guess they just went on thinking it would be alright this time again... but sadly it was not the case.
anyway, some people in this forum should calm down.. laughter is the best medicine
PLUR!
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Tris
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Posted : Aug 28, 2007 03:33
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OK, I'm not sure that will calm down all of you but since yesterday, we know a bit more about the local political situation in Caspe and it explain quite a bit what's happened 2 weeks ago.
Infos come from the french forum by a friend of mine, close to the organisation (and actually the only one who've been beaten up quite badly by the police and arrested).
So, as the infos come and to make it short, the new mayor from the local socialist party was elected recently.
But being plagged by some financial scandals, she didn't get the absolute majority and she has to team up with members of the local right wing party, that's is people representing mostly pigs farmers (and their are a lot them all around Caspe !). Being well known for polluting rivers and lakes with pig shit residues, members of ecological parties oppose them and the developement of their farms.
So, what was the best option for the mayor has to show some ecological concerns fot the population without going again the pigs farmers ??? Just crack down on a festival by this nice and supposed pristine lake they've got there !!!
When you know a little bit how politic works, it makes sense and in this situation, written authorisations or not, these kind of politicians bastards always find a way to screw up a festival, in Spain or anywhere else, on ecological basis or anything else that might suit their plans...
(And yes, ZapZap, don't worry, I still feel like saying a big "Fuck" to all of them, mayor on the top of the list !).
Anyway, I've personnaly only lost 1500km worth of petrol and a couple of days of my time (but I guess it's more than quite a few of you complaining here) and, OK, Chris and his team might have done some errors and maybe, in these situation, it would have been better to cancel the festival 2 month ago instead of fighting untill the last minute, but I prefer to believe and support my fellow trancers than some crooked policians and their violent police....
But that's only my opinion.....
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~Cortex~
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Posted : Aug 28, 2007 13:06
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On 2007-08-28 03:33, Tris wrote:
OK, I'm not sure that will calm down all of you but since yesterday, we know a bit more about the local political situation in Caspe and it explain quite a bit what's happened 2 weeks ago.
Infos come from the french forum by a friend of mine, close to the organisation (and actually the only one who've been beaten up quite badly by the police and arrested).
So, as the infos come and to make it short, the new mayor from the local socialist party was elected recently.
But being plagged by some financial scandals, she didn't get the absolute majority and she has to team up with members of the local right wing party, that's is people representing mostly pigs farmers (and their are a lot them all around Caspe !). Being well known for polluting rivers and lakes with pig shit residues, members of ecological parties oppose them and the developement of their farms.
So, what was the best option for the mayor has to show some ecological concerns fot the population without going again the pigs farmers ??? Just crack down on a festival by this nice and supposed pristine lake they've got there !!!
When you know a little bit how politic works, it makes sense and in this situation, written authorisations or not, these kind of politicians bastards always find a way to screw up a festival, in Spain or anywhere else, on ecological basis or anything else that might suit their plans...
(And yes, ZapZap, don't worry, I still feel like saying a big "Fuck" to all of them, mayor on the top of the list !).
Anyway, I've personnaly only lost 1500km worth of petrol and a couple of days of my time (but I guess it's more than quite a few of you complaining here) and, OK, Chris and his team might have done some errors and maybe, in these situation, it would have been better to cancel the festival 2 month ago instead of fighting untill the last minute, but I prefer to believe and support my fellow trancers than some crooked policians and their violent police....
But that's only my opinion.....
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LiPoCat
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Posted : Aug 28, 2007 13:35
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That is, probably, the best idea you've ever expressed.
And...read carefully the F.L.O.W. post
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what a funny guy!
don't worry for my information, I've got first hand news, no blabla!
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F.l.o.W.
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Posted : Aug 29, 2007 12:00
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On 2007-08-28 13:36, LiPoCat wrote:
trance that means what in 2007?
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Trance for many people has a lot of diferent reasons to be reached, by music or other stimulations.
If you are asking for Psycedelic Trance Parties I can tell you that it maens not that some organizer let make other people kilometers & kilometers, spending her holidays and her money for recive some hits from police, because some organizers don´t want to accept facts and laws.
If this explication isnt enought take a dicconary.....sorry lipocat but waht a question....
All the best & namaste
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