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Female DJ's are very important!!

Pt.
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 11:37
Was never my intention.


female DJ's. I havent seen to many psy dj's beeing female. I've never seen one live to be honest. - But when it comes to D'n'B, i know a few girls who spins records. And they shure kick ass.

neuromantik, do you even know what the word pejorative means? Who's beeing pejorative?

Why is everything so "tabu", why do people breed on: "oh, dont say that, it might be racistic, someone might take it the wrong way." - Arnt we all humans, equal humans? ... Scared people create fear. offtopic, lets move on.


Skėlp
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 19:47
Few people understood the main reason why i said female artists/dj's are important to the scene.. what i meant was that with female artists, more girls may feel attracted to the trance scene, cause they may have a certain Artist they can indentify themselves with.. of course i agree with neuromantik and mubali when they say recognizition shouldn't be based on the sex of the dj, but in his/her skills... but like mubali and djanahata said there is important to have diversity in the music, and most female dj's certainly are original, maybe not better (that depends on the DJ, wether boy or girl), but certainly different! And that's what makes the diversity and states the difference between male and female dj's - each one has its own way of playing, don't you agree??           "Fantasy is a part of reality"
TOXIC SHAKE - PORTUGAL
neuromantik
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 20:16
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On 2005-12-14 19:47, Skėlp wrote:
And that's what makes the diversity and states the difference between male and female dj's - each one has its own way of playing, don't you agree??



no.

While on the whole I do agree that each DJ has his own way of playing and mixing style, I think it is uncorrelated with their sex.

For me, saying that a female DJ has an "accrued feminine sensibility" to the music is IMHO a marketing ploy of the lowest common denominator.

As far as female DJs go, I've seen DJ Amanda (MOE), Stella Nutella (Turbo Trance) and Miss Tick (FR), all multiple times and I enjoyed their sets immensely but I don't think the fact that they were female has anything to do with it. If you know these DJs you will agree that their styles are radically different from one another, actually I can safely say that I can't observe ANY commonalities other than the fact that they are DJs and female .

I do agree with you that more women in the trance scene would be a good thing but I don't believe that these potential fans would feel reassured by having a girl at the decks.

I will push the envelope a bit: I like dwarves. I find that they have a unique perspective on life and I think they would be a great addition to the trance scene. What we need is more dwarf djs (DJ Bilbo Baggins ) in order to attract more dwarves. Sounds kind of odd doesn't it?

Just my opinion...
exotic
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 20:46
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On 2005-12-14 20:16, neuromantik wrote:

I will push the envelope a bit: I like dwarves. I find that they have a unique perspective on life and I think they would be a great addition to the trance scene. What we need is more dwarf djs (DJ Bilbo Baggins ) in order to attract more dwarves. Sounds kind of odd doesn't it?

Just my opinion...



yes it does sound a little odd coz youre taking the analogy a little to far , dont you think unless women are some mystical beings or something .. everybody likes to have women at party's and that too in good abundance coz it adds to the sexual energy in a party .. and that is good no ?

but im not saying i dont like dwarfs           missing plug-in
mubali
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 22:32
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On 2005-12-14 10:16, Kire-naj wrote:
Mubali, you will be known as both *you should, and I'm sure you are, proud of it*

Just one thing: I was smoking and chillin' with some africans on Sunday talking about music. I spoke about my psy passion and psychedelic substances. I asked why so few "africans" (living in US, Europa ect) dont fancy psy. Why so few "black" people love mushrooms, acid and the likes. he said that most brothers are afraid of it, that it wasnt in their mind nor blood to do psychedelic. No, they prefered the reefer. I guess your not scared of psy, are you Mubali ;*)

*keep up the twisted music*





Actually this conversation should be had. This is a question that I have asked myself for quite a long time...

From my experience, even the funkier end of psy lacks enough funk to be as enticing. Also the speed of it has a lot to do with it. Another thing is during the 60's when the hippie revolution was happening, there was the civil right's movement as well. As such many african americans were a little preoccupied with their own social issues, so as such did not engage as much into the mind expansion experiments that were happening during that time. Take a look at the music then, I'd bet you could only name the black psychedelic rock musicians on one hand....

Another thing that really sheds light on the subject is to take a look at what was the "popular" music for the time... Soul, and Rock... During that time the US was pretty divided in a lot of ways and rascism was happening on BOTH sides of the coin. (shit to a degree it still does) Anyway, back to the point. Soul consisted of the Motown sound and was the predecessor to what is considered R&B today (rhythm and blues), during the 70's illicit substances began making more of a statement in music being made, and that was also the time when Disco became popular. Disco of course is one of the predecessors to electronic dance music and it could even be speculated that without the fusion of psychedelic rock and disco, the genre we hold so dear might not even exist... Now everyone was doing Disco.. it was one of the few kinds of music that united everyone no matter what their background was. Everyone was relatively equal on the dancefloor, and everyone wore outfits that they would cringe to look at 20 years later...

Anyway back to why there aren't very many black psychedelic trance producers, during the hardware days, you had to be seriously loaded to be able to make electronic music, and it didn't have that high of a financial payoff to invest that much money in gear. In the US, hip hop was taking off and was using a minimalist approach their music creation. Since hip hop was becoming such a phenomena in the late 70's and 80's, the afro-american youth culture naturally gravitated toward that as opposed to the discotechs. This has a lot to do with the sheer fact that hip hop at that time was telling the story of what was happening in the subculture's everyday life. This was of course in direct opposition to what was happening in rock as glam rock emerged and in R&B as it was evolving to it's current state. As the popularity of hip hop grew, so did the propensity for a carrer to be made from it. Since electronic music including many of the proto-artists like Alan Parsons, Herbie Hancock, and the new wave bands did not have the sheer exposure that many of the mainstream bands had, it made it very difficult to become exposed to this type of music. Also psychedelic music gained a negative stereotype by the media in the 70's as did hippies as a whole. Many of those hippies decided to travel the world, some landing in some beach in India... Due to the Afro-american culture both lacking the resources to travel, and the lack of being exposed to other cultures, many people of that descent did not do the backpacking thing across Europe and Asia.

Which brings us to the past 15 years. In the emerging forms of electronic music, the afro-american youth were taking to the forms that made a bigger presence here in the states. House, techno, breakbeat, drum & bass, all of those genres were both more apparent in the US and had closer ties to soul and funk than Goa or psychedelic trance. Even now, there are only a small number of psychedelic trance artists from the US, which is proportionately larger than countries like Israel or England. We are the tv generation, and many of us wouldn't know about anything from other cultures if they weren't exposed to it from television or from an outside source. It's very easy here to get lost in the shuffle of everyday life and close yourself off to the world around you. If it isn't being blared in your face 10 times an hour, sometimes we'll miss it.. It is now that psychedelic trance music is beginning to build strength across the country. It used to be just port cities that would really know about it, and now it's spreading to places that you would never think that such a counterculture would even take hold. (i.e. the south)

As the african-american culture progresses throughout the years, they've made their own way in music, dance, and in society. You'd be surprised how much of the afro-american influence is in popular music both here and around the world. Occasionally I watch the "International Channel" and I see music videos from all over the world... Korean Hip Hop... So if you look at it, one of the reasons why african-americans aren't as apparent in psychedelic trance, is because their influence is in most of the other forms of electronic music and popular culture.

I'm sure you're wondering, given all these reasons... why did I get into this music? That's a whole other story, that I will get into some other time. I've typed your eyes out enough for one day.           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
mubali
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Posted : Dec 14, 2005 23:00
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I will push the envelope a bit: I like dwarves. I find that they have a unique perspective on life and I think they would be a great addition to the trance scene. What we need is more dwarf djs (DJ Bilbo Baggins ) in order to attract more dwarves. Sounds kind of odd doesn't it?

Just my opinion...



Actually it doesn't seem odd at all to me. The one thing that makes this music scene both unique but contradictory to its overall mission is the fact that you can't find this music or these parties by just walking down the street or listening to the radio. Humans feel at home when they see a group of people similar to themselves either on the inside or the outside engaging in the same activities that they do. So to make an analogy, lets say a girl goes to a psy party where the majority of the crowd and all the artists are males. Some that make their first judgement will notice the fact that there are a bunch of guys running around on who know's what listening to some wierd sounding stuff. Since that one young lady's first impression will be formed by what she sees, there is no common denominator to help put her initial impressions aside. That combined with that there are going to be males at that party that will probably notice her, it might make her feel a little out of sorts not to have her comfort zone. I can't tell you how many times I have played a multigenre event and someone of the same ethnic origins has come up to me and said, " You know, I wasn't sure if I was going to be into this music at all, but looking at you up there and really listening to the music that was playing, it's really fun and interesting. Thank you for allowing me to put my predjudices aside."

Whether or not the particular dj/or artist is good or not is something that matters to those who have become fully immersed in the music. For those that are being exposed to it for their first time, they need something that is familiar and comfortable to them to insure that they will tune in. If this music is supposed to be for everyone and anyone, then people will have to see anyone and everyone in all aspects of this culture. You also have to remember, none of us got into this music because we wanted to be the first or the only ones of our race, sex, etc. We got into this because we love this music, and to be able to really appreciate it, you have to lay your predjudices aside. Whether it's by your own doing or seeing something that makes you comfortable and more receptive to it, is neither here nor there. It's the fact that if you like it, you'll love it and it won't matter what the person who's playing it looks like.           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
Rui Ferreira
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Posted : Dec 15, 2005 02:07
i believe in female intuition, and in what matters to music sensibility they are milles away from us guys... Remember Domino? one of the best psytrance dj's in the world! whoa and what a feeling she had!!!! unique
Pt.
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Posted : Dec 15, 2005 13:14
mubali - Thank you. (Page printed and saved in arcive)


Oh, Jimmy Henrix

Reason for you joining the psychedelic dimension? (Key words: San Fransisco, The right people at the right moment, curiousety, psychedelic substances, i guess*?) ... It would be interesting to get a short story about it. *lets all study mubali* .. But when you got the time.
Skėlp
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Posted : Dec 15, 2005 17:11
The subject is going a little bit off topic, but that racial issue is also important.. wheter we want it or not! It is obvious that there aren't too many black persons (taking the example of Mubali) in the psy scene, for the historical reasons mentioned above... but there are many people from Japan / China / Israel / Spain / Brasil, or by other words, there is a important and vast mix of races (and cultures, consequently) that makes the essence of this psy scene.
Most black people (at least here in Portugal) are more into the so-called black music like Hip-Hop, R'n'B e Techno music - the thing is, is took a lot of time for other people (in particular white people) to understand and respect those kinds of music, but now (attention! i'm talking about my country) MOST of those black persons who "fought" for the recognition of those kinds of music don't respect psychedelic trance, because they say it is music without any message, like white people thought about Rap (Hip Hop is not music, is a movement in which Rap is the musical expression, aside with Graffiti and Breakdance) - Mubali most know this.
Sincerously, I don't find many black people in trance parties, but the ones who are into it really have a great presence on the dancefloor, dont ask me why... on the other hand most black people at parties are there as an alternative to Techno parties and just go there for a great XTZ and Coke High, not because of the psy trance essence (of course, its not only black people...)
I'm a member of ARA for 3 years now, so no way you call me racist, i'm just direct about it - most black people don't understand psychedelic trance because they are so closed to their own musical movement and MTV, that they can't accept themselves being part of a cultural movement that is not directly attached to their own racial culture, making them prisioners of their own skin colour! (i.e. you don't see many black people in Heavy Metal (excluding Sepultura )!
Now, i think it's important to have every cultures in psychedelic Trance culture, but, the problem is, many black people (not only, but referring to the example) are not able to open their own minds to other musical forms besides Hip Hop and RnB - blame MTV!
I do have a point in some aspects, dont i?
PLUR           "Fantasy is a part of reality"
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Braindrop
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Posted : Dec 15, 2005 21:34
after having said everything, wat exctly is the topic???

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mubali
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Posted : Dec 16, 2005 02:12
The point of the topic was to explain the neccesity of having more female djs. I do apologise for hijacking the topic a bit... I firmly believe that there should be diversity in this scene for all peoples, but I also believe that it is something that cannot be forced. People have to get into it on their own terms and for their own reasons. And while it is important to have diversity, it's just as important for the music to be the forefront of this movement.           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
E-lise
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Posted : Dec 16, 2005 13:42
Hi! Just passing by I saw this topic...
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then go to link "nucleo"!

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Pt.
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Posted : Dec 16, 2005 14:29
Beautiful page
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Posted : Dec 16, 2005 17:31
hahah really funny!           We cannot be sure of having something to live for, unless we are willing to die for it.
Hasta la victoria siempe
dE.Tonatik
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Posted : Dec 18, 2005 21:04

where r the female dj's v supposed to b talkin abt
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