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a3k
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Posted : Aug 5, 2005 02:16
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in the equipament section, there is a thread that asks the producers of psytrance, trance, goa trance, progressive, dark psy, chill out, etc.., if i was a new "musician" what would b the best equipament 4 a start?
so my question is:what would u (producers)advice 2 start?what kind of machines?from pcs, macs,pianos...
and what kind of equipament our portuguese and spanish producers use?  ... |
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sy000321
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Posted : Aug 5, 2005 16:00
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If you already own a computer i can only advise the following:
Get nice monitors (alesis, mackies or better).
Monitoring is the starting point.
If you don't have a computer then choose between a mac or a PC.
PC is cheaper, more powerfull and easier to solve problems.
Mac is more expensive, will make you wait weeks if anything bad happens to it (in the pc world you only have to call the local geek  ), and it's design and colors will go better with your choise of curtains
In the PC world you'll also have more choise in terms of pluggins! more free stuff and much more to choose from!
Make sure the computer you choose is compatible with the software you want to use! doing otherwise is kind of dumb but i've seen it happen... (buy a top PC and then running a old version of logic, duhhhh)
After that learn a sequencer (FL, Cubase, Live, Logic, protools) that suits your taste and if you'er not very experienced in music/computers one for wich you can get help easily (there's so many people doing music at home it's diffult not to have a friend more in the know than us).
Frutty loops is easy to learn, you can make release-quality tracks with it and it's very fast to get started wich will easy the initial frustration when everything sounds terrible
Don't be too concerned with buying expensive synthetizers cuz most producers are using VSTs. Hardware is a very expensive thing. Some VSTs (Disco dsp, vanguard, waves, synth 1, etc) and a midi controller will do the job.
that's my opinion,
joao
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Lithium
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Posted : Aug 5, 2005 16:14
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well i think in terms of equipmet, you need to have by the following order.
1- good pc
2- good soundcard (with DSP if possible heheh)
3- good monitors
4- midi controler
this are the first steps one should have to be able to learn and evolute as a musician. then when the times comes, and you will know when it is, you´ll start feeling the need of real machinery, nord lead or acess virus mostly for the leads as vst´s outputs are not the same thing as actual machinery. when it comes to pads and othe kinds of sounds regular vsts can easily do the trick.
my 2 cents heheh
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High Pulse
Darkpsy
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Posted : Aug 6, 2005 22:29
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On 2005-08-05 16:00, sy000321 wrote:
If you already own a computer i can only advise the following:
Get nice monitors (alesis, mackies or better).
Monitoring is the starting point.
If you don't have a computer then choose between a mac or a PC.
PC is cheaper, more powerfull and easier to solve problems.
Mac is more expensive, will make you wait weeks if anything bad happens to it (in the pc world you only have to call the local geek ), and it's design and colors will go better with your choise of curtains
In the PC world you'll also have more choise in terms of pluggins! more free stuff and much more to choose from!
Make sure the computer you choose is compatible with the software you want to use! doing otherwise is kind of dumb but i've seen it happen... (buy a top PC and then running a old version of logic, duhhhh)
After that learn a sequencer (FL, Cubase, Live, Logic, protools) that suits your taste and if you'er not very experienced in music/computers one for wich you can get help easily (there's so many people doing music at home it's diffult not to have a friend more in the know than us).
Frutty loops is easy to learn, you can make release-quality tracks with it and it's very fast to get started wich will easy the initial frustration when everything sounds terrible
Don't be too concerned with buying expensive synthetizers cuz most producers are using VSTs. Hardware is a very expensive thing. Some VSTs (Disco dsp, vanguard, waves, synth 1, etc) and a midi controller will do the job.
that's my opinion,
joao
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i disagree with u about what u saying about mac , i dont know how your local dealer works , but here , if i have a problem with my mac that requires mac go to the factory , my store , give to me a = mac with all the things i have there , we only change memories and harddisck and its the same SYSTEM running .
about powerfull , there is any pc more poweerfull than a powermac g5 dual  chek the specs amigo
about starting making music , for does who start they very very beggining in the music world , start playing with fruity loops , to learn and to sequence , and make patterns and to learn the basic rulez in music production,
second step , after working around fl and learned a few things about music production and outher utilities in the same "area", u choose then for two option
midi and aaudio or only audio
if u whant midi and audio - logic audio , cubase sx , sl ,FL , reason , live ableton etc.
if u want just work with audio - protools, nuendo ,spark, soundtrack pro
this just for the basic steps ,
then about sound card , if u dont have much money to start makinng music , dont need to spend 1000 euros to buy a killer sound card.. buy first something like a Maudio 1010lt its more than enough to start in the music production world .
if u have a good computer with lots of power u dont need much DSP cards ehehehits just something that help , but if u dont need , don't buy it , spend the money in something more usefull
sound speakers are very important here , but like i said if u are gonna start and u dont have much money , samson resolv 65A , they are very cheap, they have a good sound , i used them , and i like them a lot .
midi controler , iss something that depend how the user works with is own programs, but my advice is , the best option and the simplest one , is the original rolland pc180A i have one and its everything i need .
and some good vst to start if u dont haave money to aford external gear like , virus c , nord lead , novation, korg etc.
some good vst.
z3ta, discoDSP, imposcar , all spectrasonics plugs, TC plugs, native intruments pack 2, etcetc
then its like a timeflash , u sit on your chair , u uplift the volume , and u start playing around , and one of this day's u look at your own music , and u say uau ehhe i wasn't xpecting this 
take care amigos
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sy000321
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Posted : Aug 8, 2005 11:50
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On 2005-08-06 22:29, DarkPsy wrote:
i disagree with u about what u saying about mac , i dont know how your local dealer works , but here , if i have a problem with my mac that requires mac go to the factory , my store , give to me a = mac with all the things i have there , we only change memories and harddisck and its the same SYSTEM running .
about powerfull , there is any pc more poweerfull than a powermac g5 dual chek the specs amigo
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a dual PC will kick any mac butt
and i would go for pc assistante agaisnt having to relly on specialized mac people
also, for psytrance a "audio" only app is not recommended... maybe for chill or some fashions of progressive but you'll missing lot
joao
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High Pulse
Darkpsy
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 02:54
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let see for ourself's
http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/
chek the part were they talk about audio , HAA just a bit of the text , then see the grafics ehehe
"The dual 2.7GHz, dual 2.3GHz and dual 2.0GHz Power Mac G5 systems played 132, 127 and 115 more reverb plug-ins, respectively, than the 3.6GHz Pentium 4-based system and 52, 47 and 35 more reverb plug-ins, respectively, than the dual 2.6GHz Opteron-based system. (1)(6)
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well but on your pc assistance, they dont give u a exact machine = to the one u are using !!! , so for my experience on both PC and MAC .. for sure until now MAC surprised me in everything even with the local retailers, nexus have the same computer as me , he have allready 2 times probs with the switcher (on off) , they took the machine from is home and they gave im a same machine , with the same specs
so i think MAC can be expensive and they want $$$ but they are professional a lot in costumer support and on what they sell
maybe u should talk more with ppl that actually are using macintosh , and they give you a honest opinion .
boom
for trance AUDIO ONLY APP is good as well and i say again u should here more opinions about this issue's discussed above!!!
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sy000321
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 12:34
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you stay with your opinion, i stay with mine.
let's lot's of benchmarks in the internet so you can always find one that suits your arguments, specially if it's from the maker of the hardware homesite.
still, if a bought such an expensive computer and had to return it twice because of a disability i would think better about advising it to anyone. let's see in 12 months how many other problems will appear.
apple actually is known for bad costumer support, in every product they sell, not just computers.
again: you stay with your opinion, i stay with mine.
and yes we should hear more opinions, i'm getting bored discussing with you...
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Lithium
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 14:19
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Hi DarkPsy
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On 2005-08-09 02:54, DarkPsy wrote:
let see for ourself's
http://www.apple.com/powermac/performance/
chek the part were they talk about audio , HAA just a bit of the text , then see the grafics ehehe
"The dual 2.7GHz, dual 2.3GHz and dual 2.0GHz Power Mac G5 systems played 132, 127 and 115 more reverb plug-ins, respectively, than the 3.6GHz Pentium 4-based system and 52, 47 and 35 more reverb plug-ins, respectively, than the dual 2.6GHz Opteron-based system. (1)(6)
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sorry to disagree with you, of course Mac in their website would never say that Pcs are better, this is logic!! There are other nom afiliate Mac or Pcs websites that say exactly the contrary. for example see what Adobe ( that makes Pc and Mac Software have to say):
http://www.wininsider.com/news/?4263
I think that if you compare a Mac G5 with a 1000 euros pc of course Mac is better, but if you compare a 1000 euros Pc with a 1000 euros Mac ( i don´t even know if there are Macs at this price, at least fisrt hand ones) then Pc will be better, but also if you compare a dual Mac G5 xpto that costs around 3000 euros, i can make piece by piece a much much faster pc with that huuuge amount of money.
If Mac was so powerfull then why will be Mac running Intel processors next year (2006), why the end of the era G5 processores?
I think that some time before, especially for music creation when most versions of cubase or other Pc software had many many bugs it would justificate for one to buy a Mac for its stability with these kinds of software, but Cubase for Pcs achieved a great stability especially from version 2.2.0.33. i still use this version and maybe i won´t change cause my Pc never but really never had a single crash running v.2.2.0.33.
anyway these are just opinios
stay well
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Lithium
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 16:04
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"The debate between PC and Macintosh partisans over which platform performs better reached an interesting impasse this week when longtime Apple Computer partner Adobe Systems published a document on its Web site that supports claims that the PC is indeed faster. This development is interesting for two reasons. First, Apple has always used specially written Adobe applications to demonstrate the Mac's performance claims, so it's a bit problematic when the creator of those applications basically refutes the information. Second, Apple has actually responded to the claims.
Adobe's Web site (see the URL below) republished information that first appeared in July 2002--a performance comparison of a then top-of-the line 2.53GHz Dell Precision Workstation versus an equally decked-out dual-processor Power Mac G4 running at 1GHz. The single-processor Dell Precision crushed the Mac in every test; Adobe noted, "While the computers used in this study are no longer the fastest in their respective classes, the information is still valid. The PC outperformed the similar Macintosh machine, at an impressive rate." Today, the fastest PCs feature clock speeds faster than 3GHz, whereas G4-powered Macs have jumped to 1.42GHz."
taken from http://www.windowsitpro.com/Articles/Index.cfm?ArticleID=38445&DisplayTab=Article
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Darkpsy
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 22:14
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the same opinion here jonnhi digitallll , im bored of discussing with u ...
and lithium u are showing me a debat , were ppl talk ?? and u dont see anyh grafic proved by intel or microsoft ???
and this grafic u see on apple page , were garanted as well by intel and microsoft and outher chip enterprises read everything weell ..
and like lithium were sayinng , about computers that copst 1000 euros pc and 1000 euros mac
we are discussinng cpu . poweres .... so chek your pc's ultra dual xpto 3600mhz ... they are slowest then the dual mac 2ghz , or 2,3 or 2.5 or 2.7
i only talk about something i read and have sources ,were this info is certified ...but i agree with , PC is a bether choice to start , doesn't worth spending 2500 euros on a powermac is u are not going to use it
but power mac g5 2ghz cpu is faster and power than any cpu u can put in front of it
and lithium u are givinng information about sommething on 2002. g4 time , not g5 time :=) so chek now if they agree with this of pc's beeinng more power and faster than g5 computers
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Darkpsy
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Posted : Aug 9, 2005 22:18
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i give u the reason why apple stop with ibm and motorola chips for they'r computers , because they want to increase even more they'r insanity computers ,
what is power on macintosh , is the main hardware of the cpu and cpu and of course OSX (best operating system ever)
so its like i said , mac talk for itself
and look i was a PC user for many many hear's , my last computer , i bought thing to thing , and he costed me almost the same price of my dual mac , i have a great pc , but i asure u , when i instaled dual g5 ...... my world changed 30000%
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Fingax
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 02:39
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sy000321
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 11:45
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On 2005-08-09 22:18, DarkPsy wrote:
i give u the reason why apple stop with ibm and motorola chips for they'r computers , because they want to increase even more they'r insanity computers ,
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No! It was because ibm wasn't responding well to their demands and ibm couldn't care less because it was a very low percentage of their income!
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what is power on macintosh , is the main hardware of the cpu and cpu and of course OSX (best operating system ever)
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OSX is just a shell over some unix rip-off
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sy000321
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 11:49
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On 2005-08-09 22:14, DarkPsy wrote:
i only talk about something i read and have sources ,were this info is certified ...but i agree with , PC is a bether choice to start , doesn't worth spending 2500 euros on a powermac is u are not going to use it
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actually macs have historically been marketed to begginers and people not "in the know" about how computers work: education and artistic software
today the only reason to buy a mac is because of logic, because you get much more out of a pc.
joao
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High Pulse
Darkpsy
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Posted : Aug 10, 2005 16:14
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??? so ppl only buy mac because logic ?
this is the biggest sbhit i ever heard in my life , sorry mate
and each time u see , school , such ETIC and/or schholl about grafic design or photoshops or whatever , using mac .... why is that ??? ki really would like to know ,
before haaving a mac i was exactly like u , for me , none pc was so power like my computer ... until the day i used it hard ... then i saw how life is .
and doesnt mather if osx is unix running .... its the best operative system for everythhing and thats all ....dont try to give a big round to say this , when the truth is , osx is the best operative system from EVER .
and yes im glad they are now on 2006 with intel ... intel chips aare powerrrrr , but the rest sucks big time so , intel chip with everything from apple ... will even kick ass more time the pc's ( yes because they allready kick ass )
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