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end of "legal" goa parties in swiss?
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Nygma
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Posted : Jun 14, 2005 20:59
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i usually don't like to comment rumours i've heard by chance, but this one is a hot one:
some recent time ago on a psy trance party in the german part, i spoke to a popular swiss artist and organizer. he mentioned that the party situation will worsen after this summer due to a new law, which will be passed soon on national level.
the law is as follows:
it will be made ALMOST impossible for organizers of outdoor parties and festivals (all kinds of music styles) to obtain a permission to continue the venue after 4:00am.
basically, this means, as a goa organizer, i cannot throw a legal party anymore, because of this law.
can anyone comment this? does anyone have more info?
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sam smiler
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Posted : Jun 14, 2005 22:51
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My comment would be the swiss scene has a Drug problem,
no comment on the new law but thanks for the tip, i also ask about that,
Personly its not going to stop me going on organizing cos i know if we dont disturb anyone as in there are no complaints... the police will not come, and by the way its has been illegel to organize any kind of partys in the forests for the past few years
but back to the topic if we as a scene started paying taxs and start exposing ourselfs as a real bisness and show that its not about organized drug taking then i am sure that the swiss goverment would not act as they do and we would be abel to do everything as it should be
If only the szene would kick the drug habbit ! |
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MARGHERITA
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Slimseth
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On 2005-06-15 10:36, MARGHERITA wrote:
we dont need "legals" psy trance partys,
free partys rule 
return to the underground 
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I don't really agree with my friend Margherita...
I think that free parties is one thing (that isn't always psy or goa by the way, like you have a lot in France...)
But for me if you want to organize big events for our worldwide comunity to be able to unite you cannot make it illegal and hidden (in this I agree with sam smiler).
You can not because such events involve a heavy preparation, planing, logistic and execution work. Also because the artists that come to those events will need transport, accomodation and Money for their arts (which is natural).
So throwing parties with and for your friends is something you can always do underground (and it is better to do so, so that you can just stick with your friends and have fun...) and free.
But as I said if you want to organize global tribes gatherings then underground is not a solution anymore...
I have found this concept of Overground and I think it resumes well my opinion...
By taking the best of two worlds that people always tend to oppose we can create a new way of seeing things:
On one part we need this Undergroud heritage for the soul it brings to us all, the (always more creative) artists that can come ot of it, the eagerness to set parties, the will to create a worldwide community with differant values than our consumption socity... etc etc
On the other part we should take the best of the main-stream "popular" possibilities (Berk I hate this words...) that are offered to us.
Popular events have a few things that are really apreciable and should be used, such as:
The professionalism with wich they are organized, the amont of money they can provide the party organization with (to build amazing line-ups or create crazy places for the party)
The security they offer to the tribes members (First aid, drug checking,...), the services they can help providing (transport package, accomodations,...)
The selection and unification of the best points of these 2 concepts is what is called OVERGROUND.
I really feel that it is by reaching this Overground state that we can be the most benefical to our fellow freaks.
Being popular is shit if it means you will be into the "Star system" comercialization (Radio, Tv, Sponsors...)
But if being popular means beeing liked by more and more people and winning the people's voice then I do not see what the problem of beeing popular is... it is democratization of a new way of seeing things... and can only be better than the present comercial US style life model that our world is too much exposed with...
So lets get Overground guys 
Ps:sorry for the very long post
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gaspard
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ok this is my personal opinion:
the problem is that if you "go legal" you have to conform to "their" rules! closing parties a such-and-such times, use of security companies, maximum amount of decibels etc etc. our scene is one which claims to be free of boundaries so going "overground" means accepting these limitations. it also means charging ridiculous prices at the bar and entrance, thus just becoming another consumer good on a week-end!
ultimately this will kill the scene.
sam smiler you talk of organised drug taking.. isnt selling alcohol at a bar exactly this? isnt cigarette sponsors exactly this?
the authorities dont give a shit about your health, they just want you to consume their drugs! the drugs they make money on. the drugs they ve decided are "safe" and "acceptable" (even though looking at statistics i d say that alcohol and cigarettes are far from safe) furthermore i d say that this scene is not alone in needing to kick the drug habit . our whole society needs to do this. and i d even go as far as saying that it isnt the "drug" habit that has to be kicked but the "habit". use of anything in moderation is ok, excesive use of anything isnt.
the way i see it, the main problem is "addiction", be it to drugs, to relationships, to food, to work or whatever. the aim of life is to free ourselves from this.
and i d like to add that i m absolutely not pro-drug of any kind. i just think that people have to make their choices and be responsible for their own lives. i hate that the state feels we are too stupid to decide what s good for us and what s not. and i hate that people sould make money on this scene, people who dont even like the music and what we stand for.
boom 
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dymons
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MercuryFall
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Ok, here goes my 2 cents:
I couldnt agree more with Gaspard: We know what we like and what we want, we are responsible for what we do, we do no harm to anyone, we have our own culture. The work that governments do, democrature or not, is to try and have complete control on us, people. As for our scene, it's out of control, that's why they feel they need to send police to shut down parties, try and tax us, bring us back into mainstream, etc...
I tried the legal way with the Independance Festival, look what happened... First, all my efforts were directed by a guy whose only goal was to make money. The crew was on it for the freedom. So they got upset, ripped off the deco and got away... Second, the police came and searched the whole Schönbüel place, including the private rooms of the crew.....
So now, I mainly stand for underground. The mainstream culture and our culture are too different. We are the alternative. We cannot compose. Let's say we could, and our dear freedom and independance we stand for is gone...
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Posted : Jun 16, 2005 21:29
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yes, very good post, Gaspard!
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sam smiler
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Posted : Jun 16, 2005 22:15
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Mercuryfall is the Party your talking about the one that had one Organisaizer left standing after the Police arrestid the rest for Drug dealing out of a room?
Who was trying to make the money?
ofcourse the guy from schönbuehl is a pisser but back to what i said in the begining the drugs were the problem not the party
Underground is only good for Drug Dealing, like Slimseth wrote Overground! Its good for everone but Dealers
Like Dymons said (or the Beastie Boys) youve got to fight for your right to Party!
And to Gaspard thank god that we can atleast have a Drink!!!!! |
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gaspard
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Posted : Jun 16, 2005 23:53
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still voicing my own opinion:
underground is only good for drug dealing??? what total bollocks mate! just for your info most significant musical movements (and in fact most significant movements of all sorts- political, artisitic, etc) have found their roots and inspiration in the underground. so if you want to piss on your roots : go ahead!
you think that in "overground" parties there is no dealers??? you need to take a very good look at the next one of these parties you go to! dealers go where there is demand and there is demand in any party, and in fact almost everywhere nowadays. so you think you can create the illusion that there are less dealers in these parties but you are wrong!
and... drinking good... drugs bad... yes?? soooo the bar is not a dealer???
you know how many people die on the road from drink driving alone? not even going to bother going into health problems, addiction problems, violence problems, etc etc all due to alcohol. but that s ok , cos we re aloud to use this! its socially acceptable....
obvioulsy you re in need of being told how to live you life, how to party, what "drugs" to use (alcohol is a drug!), what time to stop partying, how loud the music is to be, and when to go to bed!
and really that s fine! we all grow up in our own time! but a lot of people feel they are responsible enough to make certain decisions regarding their own lives!
boom
Build a man a fire, and he'll be warm for a day. Set a man on fire, and he'll be warm for the rest of his life.
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freakofnature
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Posted : Jun 17, 2005 00:26
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good topic!
lets go back underground!!!!!! |
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Nygma
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Posted : Jun 17, 2005 22:25
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illegal substances have been and still will be consumed by (psy)-party people, no matter how the informing, the preventing, the warning, and eventually the prohibiting is executed. our world has a long and impressive drug history, created by the neverending feud btw those who support it and those who combat the drug "disease".
however, in current times the governments of this world have different ways of approaching their "troubled childrens". With this i mean the statistically undesired percentage of drug caused or related deaths.
We "have the luck" to live in switzerland, a country which drug policy is based on 4 pillars:
1. Prevention,
2. Therapy,
3. Minimalizing damage /loss,
4. and Repression.
The principles are easy:
personal consumption shall not be penalized,
cannabis should be decriminalized (soon i hope),
however drug trafficking (dealing) is not accepted and will be punished with severe judicial consequences.
ok, all what i said is based on current tendance... politics is a slow business, but it is always affected by current events.
to get back on the topic:
i'm hearing from more and more people that this new bill (the law which will throw us back into the undergroung era) is in the process of becoming reality. i'm not sure, but have you asked yourself why the atmosphere 4 festival won't happen? and why other big psytrance events, especially in the german part are being cancelled? it might be coincidence ... or ... maybe it's just not "as easy" anymore as it used to be, to obtain a 3 days party permission.
whatever it might be, there's a pretty good chance that drugs have contributed their part to striken the legislation. how better to fight trafficking than to pull it by it's roots ... just eliminate the play ground of consumption!! or simply, if there's no party, there's no dealing, basta.
i sure do not hope that our government is considering the above option as a solution to improve our health care. but if you should understand their drug concept, the 4 pillars, this might just be the tendance for the near future.
After all, it's supposed to be for our own good.... whatever
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Psyberpunk
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good topic !
at first i have to say i'm really not surprise of the new laws comming ! at the end of the last millenium some "organisers" went much too far with drugs selling, not cleaning place after party, noise probleme ...
but i'm writing cause i'm totally with Gaspard and MAster MArgeritha : keep it underground ...
like someone say upper: the new law will change nothing .. it's illegal to do secret party since yeaaaars and we did hundreds of party like this in the past !!! ;o) i'm still not in jail ;o)))
i finally tried to organize legal open air (NATURALP)some years ago: result a disaster ;o) so many costs that bring nothing to the party !
and finally i notice that the magic energy was not there on the floor even if it was many good people there.
sure if we want to do a big gathering we need to be legal .. but my question is:
do we really need big gathering ???
why?
what does it bring ?
personnaly i think: nothing more ... even less!
I'm totally with you gaspard.. it will kill the spirit !!!
when a party become to big: there are no more tribe feeling ... the perfect number is 2-300 people .. at the end of the party everybody know everybody ... and it become magic on the floor .. and a party of 2-300 people is really easy to put up in a "privat" way ;o) .. and to keep REALLY secret ;o)
it's much more RESPECTFULL FOR THE ENVIRONNEMENT!
i mean when we are some thousands people in the nature it become really difficult for the nature to deal with it .. tooo many cars .. massive sound system needed: animals afraid, .. thousands of people pissing around in the forest .. so bad for the sources... if we are some hundreds people it's no problem for nature if everybody is responsable...
so
KEEEP IT UNDERGROUND in the nature ...
and keep the overground for winter time when we have to go in clubs or factories !
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Jun 21, 2005 20:26
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To sam smiler :
nope, i dont know what party you're talking about...
But the truth is, i dont want to make a big festival anymore, charging 60 euros for three days plenty of big international acts, being legal and controlled...
The further i'll go now is to rent a place in the nature, pretending it's a birthday party, maybe throw one or two big names, and for the rest, only friends... i dont need more than 300 people to call it a great party!
I was in a squat two weeks ago, mixing with friend for about 50 people, and the vibe was there!! You could feel the freedom, people responsible for what they do, and that was fantastic!
We are alive and well in the underground :0)
As for the bill, we'll have to wait and see... we can always rent a refuge in the forest, a chalet in the mountains, find a remote spot in the alps, and enjoy freedom! Boooom!!!
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