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Doing music without any music theory what i need to know?
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cr1st0
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Posted : Feb 19, 2015 16:29:31
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Doing music without any music theory what i need to know to do a decente psytrance music?
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knocz
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Posted : Feb 19, 2015 16:37
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You need to know you way around a DAW 
And, know how to motivate yourself.
I bet you wanna make music for real, not in theory, so you need to know nothing. But, knowing things does help, and you can never know enough!
I also bet you already know a bunch of stuff, even if you cant explain them in musical notation (like, if you're hearing a band and someone makes a mistake, you'll notice it's "wrong" even though you never heard the song before..  )
So, best way to learn is to listen, and you have ton's of details scattered all over the music you listen to.. and go on your own path 
Everything you'd need to know should be in this forum and, if not, you can always ask a bit more specific questions There are just so many subjects going on, on completely different levels, to be able to say you need to learn this and improve on that.
And, perhaps the best music around is done by people trying to figure something out in their own way, rather than following the crowd 
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B-recluse
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Posted : Feb 19, 2015 16:43
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well i would say learn it , http://www.pianoworld.com/fun/vpc/piano_chords.htm
listen to some tracks and hear how the people use melody's and learn about answers and questions progressions .
like all music there are some basic rule's
i would say research it and find out by learning ! that's your biggest help after all |
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fraxi
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Posted : Feb 19, 2015 17:56
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splikz
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Posted : Feb 19, 2015 19:29
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I learned music theory and piano by myself. I did some scale charts and chords charts, spreadsheets 
then printed them. and practiced a bit every day.
I still have them as auxiliary.
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cr1st0
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Posted : Feb 19, 2015 19:34
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splikz
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Posted : Feb 19, 2015 19:41
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for music structure just analyze some your favorite tracks, in your daw.
pay attention to new track elements in every section. |
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knocz
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Posted : Feb 19, 2015 21:50
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On 2015-02-19 19:34, cr1st0 wrote:
And in music structure, i do some intro then i do 16 bars with the lead the i change something, more 16 bars and i change something, always like that and the music starts to sound a bit boring,
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Actually, sounds nice
But perhaps you should change more.. Because that is pretty much the same formula for techno.
Like that stab lead, it comes in the beginning and it's there for half the tune.. man you can change so many things in that synth and make it go places and do stuff and take us all in this great journey listening to it evolve
Personally I think you let things get a big out of hand with the distortion, but nevertheless good job
But, what were you aiming for? Would you prefer if it was more structured, like the typical intro-verse-chorus-verse-chorus-outro-chorus-end structure, or perhaps to be able to have these parts more defined?
For this I would say make changes and use dramatics for this.. during some loops it's great tio just put something more in, but if you have 3 or 4 more synths, why not take it all out and put something else replacing it? (maybe, a new synth, even playing the previous melody)..
Mix-wise it's a bit messy, lots of things all over the place. I like to think how the frick can that Astrix guy get such a full mix with so little, and maybe a little less is more!
Another great tip for looking at structure is use the drums (as they usually set the tempo and groove of a tune), and in this case it's like the same loop until the end, nothing that leaves the quantization, no syncopation, swing and groove it in some places, make something different, improvise Think like a drummer (who doesn't want to play the same pattern for 8 minutes), try to force changes to happen and breaks to come in, I bet you you will have the ideas flowing in.
IMHO, you could learn scales and chords and melodies, harmonies, rhythms, etc, but if you aren't having fun in the process, then it wont be so useful (not even close). Just make decisions, try it out, and keep up with what you are doing now because it's good stuff
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Upavas
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Posted : Feb 19, 2015 23:00
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Feb 20, 2015 00:21
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music theory and another daw, the one in your picture has had its run if you've made it thus far with it. time to pack and leave for other shores m8. best |
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vipal
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Posted : Feb 20, 2015 01:52
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just some blunt comments after listening the track; there is not enough story, with leads: build-up is not enough there, most hectic part is at 30 seconds voor another 30 seconds, after that leads and drums have less impact , no hook, attention gets lost. you need more musical ideas for your leads later in the track. kick and bass sound quite ok, your skills are better then this track shows. swap some parts and create some new leadsounds. psy does not need always extensive theoretical knowledge, 1, 3, 5, 7, 9 is often enough.
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cr1st0
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Posted : Feb 20, 2015 02:05
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The discussion about reason sucking is old, reason is ok for me, Toxic Anger Syndrome uses reason too and his tracks rocks. I know this kind of production hardly can hardly be done with reason https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWJ-McDUDug but there are good tracks without much sound quality, for me reason is still enough.
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Feb 20, 2015 03:53
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I didn't say it sucks. I said I think you'd do better moving on to something else. You don't have to delete it, you can always go back and forth as you see fit. So don't get defensive about it. It's fine, was just speaking my mind. |
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