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Does this mean PSY can never get a popular appeal?

KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 18:39
Guys... In every styles of music some people prefer the money they earn than what they are doing and living.. and conversely !!



Please stop making "Psychedelic Trance" a so unique style...


I have the same respect for the Psyfreaks than for the real Hip-Hop diggers or the Ska dancers, the Drum'n'Bass jumpers, the Steady Rockers, the Punks, the Fusion/Hardcore screamers, the Reggae jammers, the Big Beat enforcers, the Polka riders, aaaaall the people that believe Music is the thing and basta.. And I have special respect for the few who don't close their door to the "different" and the "new" ...

Maxi BoOmbastic Irie Positive vibrations to all these people..

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deejayridoo
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 19:30
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What is wrong with Hip-Hop?I think that even if the psy scene will become popular(in terms of MTV)it doesn't have to be such a disaster.Yeah,Hip-Hop in USA is a big money maker,and for some big money means "not keeping it real" (or "pure").But there are big UNDERGROUND scenes everywhere and in every musical style.So if psy-trance will become eventualy "main-streamy" (or whatever) there will be underground artists to "keep it real & pure".
BTW I also love to hate POP MUSIC!!!



i can tell you exactly whatīs wrong with hip hop:
ITīs A EGO THING OF THE UNDERPRIVILEGED.
they come out of poverty, crime and violence.
for them itīs the biggest goal to make big money.

we middle class spoiled goa fraggles know well that material wealth alone doesnīt make you happy at all.

we are kind of privileged, because our starting point is this.

so we dig deeper to find real happiness and spiritual satisfaction.

therefore it would be very wrong if the goa thing went hip hop (or even worse, ridiculous hip pop mtv) style.
by the way, i respect a lot the underground hip hop scene in japan (i saw a very inspiring documentary about it recently).
itīs not this underprivileged EGO pseudo "iīm soooo cool with my fat gold necklace, my bmw 7 and my hot biatches you sucka" thing.

itīs more like goa state of mind.
GOA is to leave the ego behind and to make deeper experiences and to live peace, love understanding and respect.

KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 19:39
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On 2004-10-28 19:30, deejayridoo wrote:
i can tell you exactly whatīs wrong with hip hop:
ITīs A EGO THING OF THE UNDERPRIVILEGED.
they come out of poverty, crime and violence.
for them itīs the biggest goal to make big money.



Please excuse me, Gerald.. but I when I read this I can't skip thinking that this is the point of view of somebody that only knows about the MTV-Hip Hop..

Besides U are reassuring me with the Underground Japanese statement.. But believe me it's not only in Japan.. In France, UK, USA and other places there are people that didn't forget that HIP HOP is a party Music before all !!

cheerz
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 19:47
ok, sorry KakoOlalaJwal, iīve become a bit of a "hiphop hater" because i see that all these underprivileged kids and young adults seem to take this pseudo mtv hip hop culture as their role model. they are kind of taught and educated by this materialist consumption and ego culture...
just look at the arab criminal kids in france who try to rip you off all day long....
that sucks so much man, my family experienced this 8 times since we came back from a 5years stay abroad -tokyo, japan

so please, lets follow our tradition of respect, non-violence and honorableness
Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 19:49
Please guys, dont even put "Hip-Hop from the soul" in the same level that "Hip-Hop for the money and recognision"!! I listen to hip-hop since the old good days, the old school, and i can tell you that hip-hop is a wonderfull music genre, with lots of quality and positive message! just have to dig to find the real "G's" !

try to listen to "De la Soul", "Gang Star" or "A Tribe Called Quest" .... hip-hop at his best
KakoOlalaJwal
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 19:54
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On 2004-10-28 19:47, deejayridoo wrote:
they are kind of taught and educated by this materialist consumption and ego culture...
just look at the arab criminal kids in france who try to rip you off all day long....



Indeed but I can't stop thinking they are victims..

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On 2004-10-28 19:49, Psilocibino wrote:
Please guys, dont even put "Hip-Hop from the soul" in the same level that "Hip-Hop for the money and recognision"!!



I love you my friend !

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deejayridoo
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 19:54
hehe
yes i know well psilocibino
and gang starr and beastie boys and lords of the underground and iam and supreme ntm and mc solaar and and and
but there is a tendency in hip hop anyway, to "hold the ego up", even in the very respectable and interesting scenes....
Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 20:01
hi deejayrido... i know what you mean... that's probably the reason i'm not an hip-hop fanatic anymore has i used to! Simply because hip-hop doesn't suprise me anymore...(the last great album i bought was (IAM - Revoir on Printemps...great music)! It's all about who has the greates car or the greatest chick or jeweel!! But that's not the true soul of hip-hop...and i dont blame hip-hop himself for what is hapening! I still love hip-hop, but i dont follow his culture anymore..just the music..and only the good one !
Tris
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 20:01
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i can tell you exactly whatīs wrong with hip hop:
ITīs A EGO THING OF THE UNDERPRIVILEGED.
they come out of poverty, crime and violence.
for them itīs the biggest goal to make big money.
we middle class spoiled goa fraggles know well that material wealth alone doesnīt make you happy at all.
we are kind of privileged, because our starting point is this.
so we dig deeper to find real happiness and spiritual satisfaction.



So true !!!
That's exactly the problem...
Sure it doesn't mean it's like that for the whole hip-hop scene... but it's what we see from the outside...

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On 2004-10-28 19:49, Psilocibino wrote:
Please guys, dont even put "Hip-Hop from the soul" in the same level that "Hip-Hop for the money and recognision"!!



And we sure can live without "Psytrance for the money"...
Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 28, 2004 20:13
Another thing about hip-hop (now that we are in the mood ) , i think hip-hop in his greatest days represented an important thing in american and global culture, because it's a music genre where RAP (rythym&poetry) scores few points because it was a way of delevering a message, an active message, in order to change society and the way of thinking....(hope you got this tought..i'm portuguese )
Guys like "A tribe called quest", "the roots" and many more had an important role in american youth, giving them positive vibes and messages of hope, in days where young kids in the hoods were killing themselves..(real gansters)! Hip-hop had a meaning..now i think it doesn't! So..the real artist are still doing good songs (Snoop Dog , Busta Rhymes, The roots, Cypress Hill, etc..), the rest of the guys are boncing their golden chains screaming "shake that ass"..and that kind of shit...there are no real "gangsters" anymore!
Respect to real gangsters like Coolio, Snoop Dog, 2Pac, Big Pun...

WORD
exotic
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Posted : Oct 29, 2004 13:08
@ Wicker :
Taking out the world ???? For what ?
Good chance the world take us out in the process


wont it be wonderful if every1 had an access .,, gimme a nice eg to show how world will eat us up .,, thr is a brilliant power that humans r blessed with called "choice"           missing plug-in
Tris
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Posted : Oct 29, 2004 14:53
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On 2004-10-29 13:08, wicker wrote:
@ Wicker :
Taking out the world ???? For what ?
Good chance the world take us out in the process


wont it be wonderful if every1 had an access .,, gimme a nice eg to show how world will eat us up .,, thr is a brilliant power that humans r blessed with called "choice"



Of course it would be wonderful... but we live in the real world...
But if you leave trance to the entertainment industry, they will just make it one more product to be bottled, distributed and sold around, one more fashionable thing until the next one...
They don't care what they sell as long as there are people ready to buy... They could sell recorded farts if there were a market for that....
And they just give buckets of money around until artists get addicted to it and forget where they come from, what were the values and the roots of the scene... Just money, money, money......

Always remember our whole scene is based on sharing : sharing music (under copyright rules, a DJ is NOT allowed to play a track in public without permission ! without paying for it !), sharing good spirit, sharing food and all the basic, sharing joints on the dance-floor, etc....
And it's an economic nightmare - people giving thing for free to each other - in a world where everything have to be sold and bought. In a world where things that don't have a money value don't worth nothing...

So we have to keep the scene small and partly underground. Be sure they are not to much money to be made. So vultures won't even see us... and only dedicated people will stay...

We have to stay open and welcome all people genuinly interested but I thing they have to look a little bit for us. They have to learn, they have to understand who we are, they have to think twice if they want to be part of it...
If not, we have people coming and seeing us having fun all together and thinking "Wooooh ! All this people ! That means money for sure! Lets become a techno-hippy-dreaddy-freak-whatever and start a nice business here !"

Cause we sure like fun, untertainment and good times (all things you can easely put a price on) but it's not only about that.... At least I hope so...

deejayridoo
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Posted : Oct 29, 2004 16:36
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On 2004-10-29 14:53, Tris wrote:
We have to stay open and welcome all people genuinly interested but I thing they have to look a little bit for us. They have to learn, they have to understand who we are, they have to think twice if they want to be part of it...




exactly.
and today the mass of non-initiated overwhelm the few gurus/ freaks/ initiated
and, Tris, iīd even say it with a bit more insistence:
the center of the psychedelic culture is what you mentioned and therfore, iīd say more than "they have to look a little bit for us"
iīd say:
"this culture is impersonal, beyond personality, and therefore, everybody joining has to go through a deep learning proces of "unlearning the conditioning of mainstream consumption society" and losing oneīs ego.
(which in fact is not taking place, when i see egoed-out artists, promoters etc.)

so
everybody joining the psychedelic culture is accepted and welcome, provided that he/she follows the main implications of it (and not take it as a fetish or fashion)
Psyberpunk
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Posted : Oct 29, 2004 21:42
i agree with you Psilocibino
the hip hop had a message of hope and peace at his start .. now it's the opposite !!!

and if the question of this topic is: what will happen to the psytrance if it become meanstream: the hip hop history can give us an exemple of answer...

i was involve in hip hop culture (i was puting on gigs,.. booking bands.. i become for exemple really good friends with the GunShot the most famous and full on european hh bands .. these guys was really pure in their music...no compromise... same with No Remorse ... )
in 92, it become really commercial.. and in 94 i leave definitivly this scene
the problem for me was not it was meanstream ..
the problem was that the commercial push the bands to INVERSE !!! their message !!!

i'm surprise that nobody mention: the last poet: the ancestor of hip hop music ...
their songs were against: violence, drugs, gun. ghetto, sexism, ...
it was a message of hope and freedom !!

look the result 10 years after: a MTV hip hop clip will promote: the power by the use of gun, the drug dealing, the use of women as sexual objetct, the power of $ ......
don't forget for exemple the reason of the creation of the breakdance :
it was too stop the holocost in US getto, where kids were plaing the gun shot !!!
do you know what is a gunshot ???
the rules are really simple:
2 gangs arrive in the same street
they stop at 20 meter: each gang members take his gun out:
the 2 boss say : FIRE:
then they shoot ... and then they count the dead of each side...
and so they can deceide which one is the "winner"... sic ...
break dance was create to stop it !!!
and during a time it work: the gangs were still fighting: but with dance !!

so when you see these shitly mtv bullshit you can realize the size of the damage that did the meanstream to this sub culture call hip hop ;o(

do you want the same for psytrance???
me: No !!
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Posted : Oct 29, 2004 22:35
i can say with full confidence that psytrance will never, ever become mainstream music here in USA. By the time hip hop starts a downslope and room is made for something new, i'm sure psy as we know it will be something totally different. besides, its too complex, songs are too long, no vocals, no chorus, nothing about 'love'...... Its just not meant to be mainstream music. hell, even cheez trance will never be mainstream here, other than a few songs here and there. "baby you're all that i want...." lol
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