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does this happen in your country??

Isis
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Posted : Dec 16, 2004 16:52
makes sense Alex...music should, in an ideal world, be free. what is it anyway...nothing but crazy, pulsating air that dissappears down into your ears, into your soul and is gone forever from the material world....

but its just sad- that we do live in a material word with material concerns....
sad. but true.
Janux
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Posted : Dec 16, 2004 20:02

Free parties and Free Music!?

i think people need to be more realistic...
lots of people put lots of time and work into making music and parties and need to support themselves... how can people expect everything for free?

I've heard people say, trance scene is not about the money... why do they charge? I dont want to pay for this party?

my answer: Well if its not about the money... then whats the problem in giving up $20 / 20 pounds or whatever, to get into the party?

by complaining about a few bucks here or there, thats the most money minded attitude that can be... its like people try to quantify the value of the party by saying I will only go if I get in for half price etc.. etc...

I agree organizers should create good and fair prices, which I think they do in general. So now the people going to the parties need to be good and fair.

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Isis
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Posted : Dec 16, 2004 22:11
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On 2004-12-16 20:02, Janux wrote:

Free parties and Free Music!?

i think people need to be more realistic...

I agree organizers should create good and fair prices, which I think they do in general. So now the people going to the parties need to be good and fair.






good points...and I at least..agree
Kelmi
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Posted : Dec 17, 2004 01:14
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On 2004-12-16 14:24, Alex Cavalera wrote:
Free partys!!
Thats the answer!!
In my country, free partys are getting often,with only portuguese dj's off course..
The partys are smaller, but more familiar..
it's easy to make friends, ant to interact with other people, and there isn't the pressure of making money.A bar selling some beers, waters, chai, it's enough to pay the expenses, and everybody gets a good time!
Thats the way we dance-lovers should take!
Thats my way to fight commercialism..





Exactly the way it works here to!
ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 17, 2004 09:35
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On 2004-12-16 14:24, Alex Cavalera wrote:
Free partys!!
Thats the answer!!
In my country, free partys are getting often,with only portuguese dj's off course..
The partys are smaller, but more familiar..
it's easy to make friends, ant to interact with other people, and there isn't the pressure of making money.A bar selling some beers, waters, chai, it's enough to pay the expenses, and everybody gets a good time!
Thats the way we dance-lovers should take!
Thats my way to fight commercialism..





Hey man we do the same thing here we organise parties in Malta and then collect from the people money for the sound system that is all! It's great we have a great time because it's like family! Now in winter we organised a party in a club last weekend and we made an entrance but the money profits went to help the poor people and that is also great! There are many ways we can fight commercialism but the best way is to fight with the hearth!

Bom
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psylocib
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Posted : Dec 17, 2004 14:36
in france (i live in paris) the psychedelic movement has turned into a "money" machine" as the "tek house" parties we can see in clubs.

right now for a psychedelic event; the french teams are making parties with 2 or 3 dj's (friends of the team!!!) for a 15 dollars event!!!.( small place; no free water....)

u can't imagines how it kills the movement here and the reals trance freaks are just expecting for big festivals in germany or spain.....

instead of this bad situation there are few people making parties 4 fun; trance and promoting real psy_art.
but these people are under our new security and repressing law.

here in france we need new strategies to find; the spirit has been lost by several people.....

but i still trust in trance!!!!!

peace
lomik
ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 17, 2004 15:03
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On 2004-12-17 14:36, psylocib wrote:
instead of this bad situation there are few people making parties 4 fun; trance and promoting real psy_art.
but these people are under our new security and repressing law.

here in france we need new strategies to find; the spirit has been lost by several people.....

but i still trust in trance!!!!!

peace
lomik




What do you mean by under repressing law? is it not everyone is free to do what they like most?           Your sound, is your music, is your soul keep them all on the right track!

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psylocib
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Posted : Dec 17, 2004 15:35
in the beginning of the 2000's there was a big "free party" movement (hardcore movement)
so all these stuff (thanks to the media) have diabolized the techno movement.

so when u wants to organize a party you are assimiled as (thechno= drugs)
so it becomes impossible to do something with the new law who permit to the police to take and stop your sound system.....

so many parties organisations have stop their events cause of the repression since 4 years.
ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 17, 2004 15:40
Jesus man, that's fucked ! but here in Malta is the same but we still do them and fuck the police never catch us till now, one time they came but the party was over with so yeah they came for nothing! lolol I think in France you have many hidden places were you can make party do not think it is so bad cause there is always means and ways man! Come on man you can do it the psy hearth is big and never dies!

Bom
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psilocybe
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Posted : Dec 17, 2004 18:08
shit.... yeah that happens here too. specific organisers here just do it to make some moola, but when u ask the organiser of their opinion on trance they'll stare u blank in the face. hows that for heartless? they'll throw trance parties, but will have the least bit of interest in what is considered good trance music. thus parties here at times sound the same all night, no deviation, no subtlety, no passion.           ****andmysoulsbeenpsychedelicized****
Trishula Records
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Posted : Dec 17, 2004 19:44
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On 2004-12-07 05:25, flopZ wrote:
does this happen in your country??




Recently we also experienced nearby the same. The mexican project "Tsunami" is announced for a festival, beside Infected Mushroom and others. Behind the name "Tsunami" they have written "Trishula Records".
So for everybody: Tsunami IS NOT SIGNED at Trishula Records.

And another story from an org in germany... there is a small party in south-west germany on christmas and on the flyer for this party is mentioned a "DJ Alex (Trishula Records)".
THIS IS A FAKE. There is no DJ Alex from Trishula Records.


It's sad but these people do not show any respect for the work that others do.          www.trishula-records.com
www.ajana-records.com
www.trishula-media.com
soundflower


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Posted : Dec 17, 2004 21:10
it s a bit the same everywhere, i think. what we have to do is to stand up for our rights and some fairness which means only support the parties and djs who are worth it (not commercialised, for example),be fair ourselves in paying for good music and parties and tell the people who do not so that we don t accept their behaviour.
in my opinion, free parties are the best way to keep the spirit of our scene alive cause everyone should produce music and organise events to have fun and share moments of joy and unity and not to make money. but at the same time, nothing s free nowadays so that we have be realistic and pay for what really need to be paid.
in switzerland we try to get away from the commercialised part of the psy trance scene in having our own small parties with local djs who do it for free and from their hearts. so people are not only interested in big names and making money and stuff like that but even more in having a good time with beautiful souls who do everything cause they love it so much. but still, it s normally not possible to make it without collecting money from the people cause in this world there re just a few things you get for free...
ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 20, 2004 10:23
Hey Esther some really nice words there and i totally agree here in Malta is same i mean we never ever got paid to play dj's for us is just natural that we carry music with us and when there's a chance here goes _ Trance! It's great and i also think that we go out and spend the money into something made from the hearth it's not like spending money it's like giving some money into something you beleive is good!

Bom
Ganja           Your sound, is your music, is your soul keep them all on the right track!

Please Check our music at:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/pagemusic.cfm?bandID=438956

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UnderTow


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Posted : Dec 21, 2004 04:45

I don't have a problem with commercialism as such. It just means that people are doing commerce. But in my view the best way to do business is to deliver quality. Quality will make the people happy and they will come back for more.

Commercialism doesn't have to mean being greedy and trying to rip people off. To me it means delivering a good product that is worth it's price.

Where I live you can't do outdoor parties most of the year because it is just too cold and wet. And even if the weather is good, the cops tend to want to put an end to the fun which means we need to rent clubs, equipment, a sound systems, lighting, deco, security etc etc. All this costs money and that is why there is an entry price.

I just wish people would understand that treating your customers with respect and doing one's utmost best to deliver the best quality is the only way to do good business.

UnderTow
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