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does this happen in your country??

flopZ


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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 05:25
i think that's a good place to post that......

in the last 2 years i started to see some attitudes in the psychedelic trance scene here in my country that i simply can't accept or understand...... there r some really bad intentioned people that simply, in my point of view, try to sell psychedelic trance in all ways they think that they can....... unfortunatelly (let's make clear that i don't have NOTHING personal against anyone, but simply can't agree with some attitudes) some people here in brazil found a way to make easy money with psychedelic(?) trance parties and they really don't give a shit to the music...... so would you make me understand some questions like....

......why some people simply create a dj name and puts "israel" in the side of the name and can bring many people that, in almost all of the cases, dunno what is being played in the place and likes to get really stoned doing drugs that may, in some cases, be sold by the party organizers.... those organizers who can put a false birth country in a dj that sometimes doesn't knows how to mix two songs, but as far as he seems to be a foreigner, many more people can go???

why there r people that simply piss off the work of other people and don't think in any consequences, doing things like we can listen in this web-site: http://www.aclub.com (when you enter in the main window, click, on the right side of the window, in the song called V.I.R.U.S. - human evolution, and i think someones will understand...)???

why does fashion seems to be so special in a way that some people think that can disrespect the other people????

why many of the people that say PLUR here and there are so hypocrite, as they don't do ANY of the things they say???

sorry but i'm a little upset of seeing some things that r happening and thought that i could share it with you people that really apreciate some real psychedelia..... thanks god there r a plenty of people that still don't think in just blowing up a club, but also in bringing some good knowledge for the people, if you know what i mean......


i hope you understood me......


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flopZ


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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 05:59
sorry.... the right web-site is http://www.aclub.com.br


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furthur
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 06:10
Yes, it's sad, but don't worry. The can't touch what is real, and you know that even if it's sometimes had to see right away.
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HandA
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 09:22
Maybe more variety in your Full On country would solve some of the problems with low quality parties with 100% israeli supermarket music?
ganjagil
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 09:43
This happens in so many countries especially nowadays that th scene is much full on commercial stuff! But the real trance and dance culture will always be there and smaller better music parties will always be there for people like us to enjoy! unfortunately these peopl lead new people in the scene into the wrong side of music and it is sad man! but we can do nothing but love the real side of trance and talk about it's beliefs! our beliefs! Trance! and little by little people will realise maybe...

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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 13:02
yopu are not alone has been like that here in dk for a loong time

btu then theres just coming more pure underground very small and very good parties instead which is great

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traveller
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 13:12
There's pretty much only ug psytrance parties in Finland, too bad I don't like the finnish style too much           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
Pt.
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 13:23
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On 2004-12-07 09:22, HandA wrote:
Maybe more variety in your Full On country would solve some of the problems with low quality parties with 100% israeli supermarket music?



hehehe.. Supermarked music.. hehehe

Well.. This seems like a Isrealien problem flopZ. But I guess the problem is spreading. Wonder if this will spread to Scandinavia? I guess if psytrance/goa becomes mainstream in the UK as in Isreal.. Then we will have a problem. hmm... Is this a effect of Infected Mushroom trying to Infect the world? Cant they see by Infecting the world they are negativly infecting the psytrance scene with capetalism and greed?
PS. I only used IM as an "infected" example..
traveller
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 13:29
Man personally I'd love to see more parties with Israeli Supermarket Music ( good one ) acts here.           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
Kitnam
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 13:40
Indeed.

The most profitable "EBIT" in the trance-scene has the drug-mafia. They are not on the party but they have a perfect market there. Imagine on of our big festivals with up to 40.000 people.

Lets calculate:
If only 10.000 people on a big OA-event consume 15 € for illegal drugs the drug-selling-network has a revenue of 150.000 € at one festival. If you subtract the costs for the street-dealer-provision, transport etc. you have maybe 40.000-70.000 € raw-benefit.


Only the party-organizer himself is able to earn the same sum on such an event.

So what we know now?
You can be sure that every big party is precalculated by the drug-networks. This means special transfers in the monthes before, special organisation (how to bring all the drugs to the party?

Fazit: you can call it a professional marketing(just illegal). Maybe more professional with in using the trancescene for the own ego-benefit than the most psytrance organisators itself.


And the other question is: Why should the mafia wait for an organizer to create a party, when they can organize it by theirself much more coordinated and on the dates they want to terminate?
Allready thought about it?


Kitnam
Mantik

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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 13:51
Just want to add something:
Image how our scene would work and how the music quality would increase if every one of the 10.000 drug-consuming trancers would spend ONLY 5 € of their 15 € drug-budget for buying cds. This would be an sales-impact of 50.000 € for distributions, labels, artists, and all connected people.

Fazit: (hard but sadly true) The trancescene is throwing money in the wrong mauth.


BUT: (easy to say but sadly hard) Its in your hands !
Pt.
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 14:15
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On 2004-12-07 13:51, Kitnam wrote:
Image how our scene would work and how the music quality would increase if every one of the 10.000 drug-consuming trancers would spend ONLY 5 € of their 15 € drug-budget for buying cds.



I do both.. is that ok?
Kitnam
Mantik

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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 15:02
@psy
do what you want. i dont want to give any rules here. just want to make the people think a little bit about the casuality and their own might to change things and trends.
Pt.
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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 15:08
Agreed...
UnderTow


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Posted : Dec 7, 2004 22:20
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On 2004-12-07 05:25, flopZ wrote:

why there r people that simply piss off the work of other people and don't think in any consequences, doing things like we can listen in this web-site: http://www.aclub.com (when you enter in the main window, click, on the right side of the window, in the song called V.I.R.U.S. - human evolution, and i think someones will understand...)???



Is this the Cosmosis track? I only heard it once (and didn't like it) but it sounds like it as it uses the same 2001 Space Odyssey theme. If this is a rip-off of Cosmosis, then it is very very sad indeed.

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why many of the people that say PLUR here and there are so hypocrite, as they don't do ANY of the things they say???



In my experience, the people that shout PLUR the loudest are the ones that stick to it the least. Why does anyone need an acronym to describe normal decent behaviour anyway? It seems very suspicious to me.

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i hope you understood me......



Yes I do but I don't think it is really worth worrying about it too much. Just do the best you can to give people your positive take on things and leave the scum do what they do best. Just spread the word to the people willing to listen and ignore the crap.

UnderTow
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