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Do some djs prepare the set before a gig?
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : May 27, 2009 20:36
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speaking of digital djing, this is a great feature in traktor, you get a history of your set, save it for later use, rate your tracks, get info about the key, bpm, your own comments and what ever you want :> and reach your tracks or playlists within a click. i love it!
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Ascension
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Posted : May 27, 2009 23:22
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On 2009-05-27 17:07, Djones wrote:
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On 2009-01-29 22:09, Kane wrote:
One giant problem with that method: You aren't adapting to the needs of the audience at all.
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The trick is to get the audiance to adapt to your music right 
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I find the people who don't seem to like what I'm playing and throw pig blood on them. That'll learn em!
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : May 31, 2009 11:28
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Here is the truth about parties I've played at. Most of the crowd is looking forward to seeing friends and OR are just there to go off and dance. So this whole discussion of reacting to the crowd is bullshit. You make it sound like this is what happens if you DONT plan a set: a dj plays a track... Looks up for second to see if all the people agree even the guy in the back whos really drunk then right before he puts on the next track he takes a survey or reads everyones mind who all have their own tastes and selects the next track?? Can someone please explain this to me? How exactly is it that by looking at a crowd of people who are for the most part high, you know what track to play next? It's just not the case in my opinion. You either play well and play good danceable music or you don't. If you really want to forecast the weather ask the Dj before you what's going on. Even when I didn't plan my sets I never had this new age spiritual mind conversation with the crowd. Any dj who gigs a lot does not have the time to study every single track that he probably just got from his friend the day before. Most djs abuse some type of substance that hinders them from having this supernatural memory. so do whatever works for you. But unless you can actually try these scenarios out then you might as well be pissing toward the wind. (that's me being sarcastic to djs who've only played 5 parties and think they know what's the right or wrong thing to do)
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Kitnam
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Posted : Jun 1, 2009 12:37
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david.
this crowd listenting sounds like new-age but its undoubtable just serious watching the floor about whats going on. when you play new tune and its frozing parts of the floor or then you made something wrong. nothing esoteric.
when you play fast stomping music and the movement is going lower and lower then people need 1-2 softer tracks to take a rest. maybe some melodic one, for the mind - not for the legs. it opens interesting possibilites. offcourse djs shall lead and not follow only but the crowd will be very thankfully if they recognize that you are taking care about them. then you are allowed to make mistakes too - they realy wont matter because they trust you.
and also it makes playing a lot more interesting to even try to get in touch. i think everyone got his own way doing it. and is making his own experiences.
but saying its not possible , maybe its not always necessary needed but its possible. sometimes just watching one dancer can bring you so many different and spontanous ideas you would never get elsewhere. and offcourse every dj needs to test new tracks about how they work out on big pas. isnt all this some kind of crowd-listening.
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Zoopy
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Posted : Jun 4, 2009 02:41
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I can't really put it into words but it's just feeling out the energy of the party, observing how people react to the music you are presenting, how they don't react.. it's not a science or anything. It's communication, mantik put it pretty well.
My problem with preplanned sets is that SOMETIMES it's like seeing a band that obviously rehearses their album over and over and over and it's just very robotic and stale and there is no improvisation or excitement in the performance, no AHA moments or 180 degree changes or spur of the moment decisions.. of course you can plan these out in your set but there is something special about creating something on the spot and having it work really well..
I just find the potential in unplanned sets to be much greater ... but much harder to master.
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David(KIVA)
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Posted : Jun 6, 2009 10:45
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a couple mentions on a set that was planned_
http://forum.isratrance.com/5-23-5-24-psytribe-presents-perception-at-virgin-malibu-location-feat-joti-sidhu-and-more/page3
Planned that set the day of...
all i'm saying is its all good! anyway we perform! some are more meticulous about the approach and plan weeks in advance others the day of the party like myself very often. To each his own, whatever works for you. I just have a problem with narrow applications to djing. Let a beginner do what is comfortable to them.
What bothers me is this thinking that every mix is the same! really annoys me. Sure its possible, but do i really want to be staring at the time display on the cdj focusing so hard trying to catch the digit to press play on? If that is the case you have missed it all together and you might as well quit.
while practicing i may mix two tracks 5 different ways. And when its live I may mix it completely different to where i thought i was going to mix it. By then hours later i have forgotten what i planned in the first place. What I do know is what timeslot i'm playing and which track i play next until the end of the set. I have played many sets and been doing planned for about 3 years now solid. The view is fine from up here. =)
jds has a really great video of the party scroll down on the link. enjoy... come to LA!!
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polly
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Posted : Jun 8, 2009 09:24
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I have another story from last weekend.
I had "planed" set for slot that organisers told me, but my slot moved later and i played after dj that i wasnt supposed to play... so i just didn have enuff tracks to play for that slot and ended up playing shitty set from the tracks that i had.
well i blame most on me that i didnt prepare better and didnt have bigger selection with me.
usualy i travel with my cd cases where i have music from hard night to mellow morning but in this case my wife had my cd case in other party and i just burned me 30 tracks that was enuff for my 2 h slot and gives me little room...
well i learned my lesson and will never trust an organiser 
set wasnt totall catastrophy but i wasnt satisfied with it, even thou people came to thank after it
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almost_human KROX ( Phantasm Rec .)
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Posted : Jun 10, 2009 01:08
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My one of the recent Experiences ....
I was Performing in a party & was supposed to play a 2hr set & just got 40min to play  However according to the pace of the Previous set I have fewer Tracks to match that Pace SO I played FullOn with Fat Twilight Base .. was a new experience & people liked it .. Floor was Blasted by the crowd & that Fireworks lasts just 30min .. as first 10min I was Lost in Track selection .... 
Boom !!!
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DJSarasin
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Posted : Jun 10, 2009 08:28
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Upavas
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Posted : Jun 10, 2009 08:37
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Psynthex
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Posted : Jun 10, 2009 13:04
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I allways prepare INTRO track.. or at least i am thinking what to put on for an intro track. After intro track there is a track which comes next / try to figure it out what to put on. But after that...i just go with the flow! DJ needs to build the people up by himself and not really with a set prepared. Thats a good DJ. Hit track on hit track..that is lame, everyone could do that by baking himself 3 CDs with all HIT tracks on..and play them loud... hmm.. well!!! My opinion here
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Dj Dino aka Mindwash-SoundKraft rec. au
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Posted : Jun 17, 2009 13:18
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Because i have make many events in Greece i have seen dj artist to perform with A block with the tracks that they whant to put.Almost all of them they know from the home what they going to put!!!!
im against that because im also dj and when i go to a party to play my only problem is with what i start,what i put next e.tc.
but this is the beauty...because you can not know how the people are going to be and where did you "catch" them if you know what i mean...when i see that i catch them with a track...i continue to the same style....
that's for me....my opinion in so many years in psy scene!!
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ultraviolence
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Posted : Jun 19, 2009 03:15
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I'd just like to say that I think it's a little funny (and this is not a negative comment at all, just something that I find a bit strange) that some people that choose to improvise their entire set rather than prepare it at home because they want to suit it to the crowd etc still choose to predefine their opening track.
Wouldn't you want to pick your opening track based on the mood of the party/crowd as well? What makes the opening track so special that it never changes?
As stated before IMO Djs should do their homework and prepare many a possible branches where they have worked out connections between songs well and then use those branches to read/guide the crowd. It really throws me off when connections between songs are weak and yank me out of my trance state. The connections between tracks can potentially be exploited as extremely strong points to give even more power to your mixes and introduce the following tracks in an even more psychedelic and interesting ways but IMO you cannot work out such connections on the spot, you need to spend many an hour at home with your tracks learning their structures, frequencies and vibes.
This is just how I like to do it though, I respect everyone Djs own way of doing things because that is what makes them who they are and gives them their own sound. Just sharing my opinion.
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ultraviolence
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Posted : Jun 19, 2009 05:15
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I guess what I'm saying is that if you take your time to learn your tracks as thorough as you can then you will be able to compose your sets dynamically on the fly without having your mixing suffer as a result and deliver a better end result to the listeners.
Of course it takes time and is a lot more work but for me it's worth it.
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squirm
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Posted : Jun 19, 2009 13:13
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i think at the end of the day its what works for you
if your nervous and don't want to mess up, go ahead and plan out the tracklist - heck go as far as marking cue points if thats what does it for you
but one thing to keep in mind is that stuff rarely goes as planned and who knows, what if the cd with your tunes is scratched up, or what if the audio levels arent matching or even worse you mislabeled the tracks on your cd
shit happens - just try and make the best of it and avoid the all feared sound of silence 
as for crowd reactions - i am a bit dubious of that
i haven't ever played at a party and haven't been to a party in a long long time, but the ones i have been to, not too many people are informed about the music -not to say that this will always be the scene - but most of the indoors this is what i have noticed , and so they let the dj/artist performing pretty much do his own thing, even if they are knowledgeable people dont come ready with tomatoes .. but having said that if there is no one dancing on the dancefloor and a couple of cringing faces i think its safe to consider a slight detour from the plan
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