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Do Psy Trance DJ's ever use Records anymore?
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 08:24
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H2O i am not arrogant at all.
It is more than big bullshit to say that djs that use mp3s are no djs. I don't know why he says that, maybe coz he is working for a label and mp3s are not good for buisness or coz he wants dj-elitism what is gone coz everyone can dj with mp3s.
But np H2O i am sure u havn't read it properbly before 
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H2O
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 15:26
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Vinyl is just much harder to mix than mp3 or wav.
Vinyl sound much deeper than digital domain.
Vinyl you need to buy. You do not need to be a rich guy to buy vinyl it is not an excuse at all. I have friend who play each week in club, all money he gain from djing goes for vinyls. He does it for fun. I highly recommend you to try mix vinyls thus to understand what i'm talking about. |
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sherlockalien
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 16:02
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so it seems nobody has any facts here...
its all personal opinion, whether vinyls sound better, or cds sound better.........
or does anybody know of any real experiment that tested the quality/frequency range/etc of both mediums, for psy music?
I guess nobody knows, and its all personal opinion |
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 16:39
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Most of today's production is done on Digital tools, or Virtual Analog Tools. To say that vinyl carries analog sounds is quite stupid. If you record old Moog, SH-101, TB-303 Synths with Analog 4/8/16 whatever Tape and then print it on Vinyl then you'll have true Analog sound.
If you create music on Cubase/Logic/ProTools or whatever and using outboard gear or VST/DX/RTAS you are still making digital sound. Putting it on vinyl will probably fatten it up. But this "fatness" is not more than uncorrect representation of the original digital "correct" data. The fact is that Vinyl improves the lower frequencies and rounds up the higher ones are. The dynamic range of the CD is also far more wide than the Vinyl.
Ask anybody whose into Classical music recording and you'll find that for them the Vinyl died the year the first CD was released. And those guys demand only the best equipment for their recording sessions.
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H2O
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 17:37
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Sherlockalien, sounds is personal view only. There are no tests need to be done. Analogue sounds different from Digital. I never said it is sound better but deeper. Prolly because high end reduced.
No one need to check nothing, CD has more frequency range than vinyl, quality is too global to test and psy music is poor music.
Pavel, although you right. Wider dynamic range or frequency responce doesn't mean sounds better at least for me, moreover correct not always the best. That's maybe why speakers represent sound in wrong boosted form to keep attention of listener. Vinyl is dead because CD is cheaper, much more common and whole music produced on digital sequencers. Progressive House, Techno and Dance scenes are released on vinyl usually. |
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Madpup
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 21:12
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On 2005-01-08 15:26, H2O wrote:
Vinyl is just much harder to mix than mp3 or wav.
Vinyl sound much deeper than digital domain.
Vinyl you need to buy. You do not need to be a rich guy to buy vinyl it is not an excuse at all. I have friend who play each week in club, all money he gain from djing goes for vinyls. He does it for fun. I highly recommend you to try mix vinyls thus to understand what i'm talking about.
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I mix psy on cds, but i have mixed vinyl many times with friends who play breaks, house etc. PLease englighten me why mixing. vinyl is harder.
Psy music is poor music? Would you like to clarify that? |
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 22:18
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H20. Dynamic range is one of the most important characteristics of the music along with the frequency (notes) and the timbre (instrument). The fact that it's became obsolete feature in the last 20 years in the popular music is sad and probably irreversible.
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HandA
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 22:55
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So many experts here 
How many of you are DJ's and how many of you have actually played with vinyl at all? Now that's much more interesting to know. I like to hear answers from people that actually know what they are talking about instead of some of the experts here who properly haven't owned one "12.inch in their life!
Personally I prefer vinyl because of the enjoyment it give to me to actually touch the vinyl and work with it while I play. Something that's not possible in the same way with CD's. Anopther aspect is also that I actally find it easier to do longer mixes with vinyl.. Maybe because I first learned to beatmix with vinly and not CD's. I just find it so much easier and the mixes become more smooth and interesting. And it's damn easier to find a spot on your vinly than to find it on a CD player with out making 50 cue points
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ayakustix
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Posted : Jan 8, 2005 23:33
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vinyl definitely has a much warmer and deeper sound than any cd ever will reach. believe it or not. it is much more nice to spin and mix, you have a way better feeling for the music. as well as all the artworx look by far more beautiful on vinyl cause it is much bigger.
any tech/electro-dj will prefer vinyl over cd, simply for the reason that he has the choice if he likes to buy vinyl or cd and due to this still can use vinyl.
now this infantil trance-public simply doesn't even have any choice anymore cause full on vinyls aren't produced. and this for the following reason: that most of the labels who only think of money and don't do the releases with love, can save money by only releasing cd editions. making both - vinyl and cd - cost by far more cash and you need to sell more stuff. so if they only sell 300 copies of their noisy crap, it would be absurd to make vinyl. that's the point! $$$ is the reason...
vinyl has so much style that cd never ever will reach. |
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Madpup
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Posted : Jan 9, 2005 00:05
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I have mixed vinyl and cds back to back a few times. There is this warm and fuzzy feel to vinyl (especially at low frequencies) that cds do not have, but for me it doesnt compensate for a difference in sound quality at high frequencies.
With regards to mixing vinyl, it does feel nicer than for example doing so on pioneer 100's, but for me mixing on 1000s is far far more enjoyable that vinyl.
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hip
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Posted : Jan 9, 2005 00:12
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hey HandA,
I'm no expert at all, but I've played vinyl since the first time I played back in '98.
There are several reasons why i became a vinyl junkie:
First of all, cds alway find a way to loose themselfs, wheter I borrow it someone (and forget) or just scratch 'em. When I look back, I have only few cds that are 5-6 yrs old, but all of my records are still here, very capable of being played.
And they are more dj friendly - mk2 has analog pitch, so you can adjust it perfectly any time. And you can change a record and cue it in a couple of seconds, which is impossible with cds. Usually, the cd pitch is always somwhere inbetween 1.3 and 1.4, for example. You can't put it on 1.33 or 1.39, and with mk2 you can.
And usually most of the tracks from vinyl never makes it to the cd, so I have a quite different sound from all my friends who play only cds.
And cds prolly have a bit better sound quality, but differnet mastering is being made for records and cds. And sometimes the mastering for records is done better, so the track sounds better on vinyl.
And i dont think the vinyl is dead, just in psytrance. Techno, house, progressive, dnb djs use it.
But then again, its all matter of personal taste and opinion. Everyone should go for what they feel comportable with, cds or vinyl - whatever.
As i said, when I have a dilema, i just plug in my two walkmans and make the craziest mixes and the fatest sound
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Borris
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Posted : Jan 9, 2005 01:03
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OK, I'm a vinyl junkie. I've used vinyl for the last five years to DJ and to listen to at home.
I love spining vinyl, and if i could have had all the tracks i wanted on vinyl I've probably would have spinned only vinyl.
most people in a club enviroment don't really hear the difference in quality (as long as the record was well printed/mastered, and the reproduction equipment is good, stylus and turntable wise).
the only downside besides not being able to get all i want on vinyl is the weight, it's not fun to carry 30 KG of records back home after a party.
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clown
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Posted : Jan 9, 2005 08:39
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Shaqattack
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Posted : Jan 9, 2005 10:53
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On 2005-01-06 13:57, Mike A wrote:
Well, I say it's sad to see mp3 djs at all. 
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ahhhh thats a stab rite in the chest .....
kinda understand what ur saying...but i am still in the process of learning...
but if its effective y not
peacE
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Dance N Dust
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Posted : Jan 10, 2005 13:16
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eyb,,at ferst,yes im owner of label and im 11 years trance dj and 4 years befor that i use play rock as well with vinyls..
it have nothing to do with that..
mp3 sound is shit, realy not fat like cd and for shur u can not comper it to vinyl..
when u think that "djs" gating music from nat and than playing it on party, than the music sound like.... shit..
if me or any of my friend buy 12" we will never record it to digital and put it on kaza or so..
thats the point to buy 12"
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