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Do Devil Worshipping belong in this scene?
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TRapp
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 14:04
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On 2005-06-28 02:12, Psycosmo wrote:
But the fact is that in a majority Christian society a wide range of religious acts are in fact considered Satanic. Namely, anything that isnt Chrisitian is considered Satanic by hardcore Christians like those in control in the US of A. So I think that identifying with devil worship is a valid form of spiritual protest for a USA resident. Because "Devil" really means everything which is not Christianity and Christianity bans everything that I love...
PS you obviously cannot read very well because I said "IF worshipping the earth is satanism....". The word "if" is key to comprehension of my statement. If is a word in english that implies conditionality. That means that My being proud to call myself a Satanist is conditional on the accuracy of the Chrisitan societies definition of Satan as everything thats not obeying the Bible and worshpping Christ as my one and only savior.
I really wonder why even bother with people like you Mr. Trapp
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i can read very well and obviously you dont either,....i did see your ifs....so maybe you should reread my post again....i made concent for those ifs....
also i dont exactly live in the USA , and here we dont have hardcore christians believeing that Ninja Turtles are the spawn of Satan, well we do , but no one worries about them and they dont control anything...the point is dont generalize for the rest of us your expierences....
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TRapp
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 14:27
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On 2005-06-28 06:13, Psycosmo wrote:
Yo I cant believe that so many people believe those stories about the bad things Satanic cults do. The Satanic Ritual Abuse phenomena was a media panic, very little evidence to support that Satanic Ritual Abuse has ever been a problem in the US. Check out this helpful link: http://www.religioustolerance.org/sra.htm. A lot of it is based on so-called "repressed memories" uncovered by hyponisis, when it is well known that repressed memories are typically fantasies or mis-memories and not realities.
More goodies can be found at the same website at: http://www.religioustolerance.org/satanism.htm.
I have read up on this stuff before and any serious examination will show that Satanism means different things to different people, and also that Satanism does not even necessarily the same as things that are usually equated with it (Lucifer, Devil etc) For example the Devil can sometimes be more of a playful trickster figure than the ultimate molevolant force, and Lucifer also has different connotations i think but Im no expert on the matter so Ill stop here.
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ok dude we are not talking about the devil and his forms and what he may or may not do and all the heresay and human make-believe around that...(btw i am not a Christian, nor do i adhere to any other religion out there)
but what we are talking about is real live things which twisted and sick humans are doing in the name of something known as Satanism....this thing called Satanism IS REAL...what they do IS REAL....
so you think it is all the media making up story about this.....well let me fill you in,...a friend of mine...she has a friend...her friend joined a Satanic group,..she did manage to escape eventually....but let me just tell you some of the things that happened to her....
they got her pregnant, then at 5 monthes they cut her stomach open, took out the foetus, killed it and the one main satanist dude ate it...
she was repeatedly gang raped, in the satanist "safe" houses, her any others clothes were taken forom them so they could not try and escape..
she was beaten and tortured,....cut open, ...witnissed and took part in rituals where infants and cats where murdered , the latter being skinned alive first.
she was made to do drugs, if she couldnt pay for them , things happened to her and others...some of those things for example...being put in a coffin filled with ice naked and left to freeze, hung upside down on a cross.....
and all of this was done and carried out...because like christians , satanists use the same sort of magik on the human brain...both use fear, in fact all religions use fear to keep their members and followers in order....think about the fear factor on both sides please, i will leave this to your intelligence, if you would like me to explain it then ask...
but anyways...anopther example...my Aunt is a teacher, in her class there was a girl who had joined a satanist sect, my aunt helped her, when she found out that the satanists were injected her with benzine....my aunt got her out and into help....for that the satanists harassed my aunt....phoning her tellin gher they would steal her child and slit its throats and send her his heart back.....
now i can go on and on naming instanceslike this.....these are two instances close to me...and no media reported this...IT IS REAL.
i know the satanists would like to tel lyou that satanism is a religion about individualism....well right there in that sentence they fail, religion is a group thing and the satanists draw their power from the group....the whole individula thing is propaganda to get you ghooked....unlocking the beast within...more propaganda....all of what they say and tell...would obviously make you want to adhere to it..how are they going to get followers otherwise.....
WE DONT WANT SATANISTS IN OUR SCENE, i dont want to dance or party with a child killer or a rapist thanks...we dont want our scene to become Satanic.....imagine some of those things i have named above happening at a party....wouldnt that be plur indeed....
there is power in all of us, that doesnt need a half-baked human religion to unlock it....adhere to yourself.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 17:13
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On 2005-06-28 14:27, TRapp wrote:
WE DONT WANT SATANISTS IN OUR SCENE, i dont want to dance or party with a child killer or a rapist thanks...we dont want our scene to become Satanic.....imagine some of those things i have named above happening at a party....wouldnt that be plur indeed....
there is power in all of us, that doesnt need a half-baked human religion to unlock it....adhere to yourself.
represent~~
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Amen to that
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woutski
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 18:50
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I think some ppl are seriously over-reacting...
This Satanist cult stuff has is totally irrelevant here.
Get real! Getting a kick out of extremer/darker forms of music doesn't imply you're into
eating babies, slaying virgins, raping and worshipping satan.
Look at black Metal...apart from the few fruitcakes in Norway that burnt some churches in the early nineties, I think 95% of the ppl who dig this kind of music are regular ppl just like you and me,
only with a passion for extreme music (and Dungeons & Dragons)
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Lithium
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 20:40
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On 2005-06-28 18:50, woutski wrote:
I think some ppl are seriously over-reacting...
This Satanist cult stuff has is totally irrelevant here.
Get real! Getting a kick out of extremer/darker forms of music doesn't imply you're into
eating babies, slaying virgins, raping and worshipping satan.
Look at black Metal...apart from the few fruitcakes in Norway that burnt some churches in the early nineties, I think 95% of the ppl who dig this kind of music are regular ppl just like you and me,
only with a passion for extreme music (and Dungeons & Dragons)
Pls stop being so dramatic about this...
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Ott^
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 21:55
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On 2005-06-28 14:27, TRapp wrote:
she was repeatedly gang raped, in the satanist "safe" houses, her any others clothes were taken forom them so they could not try and escape..
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If I was being tortured and gang-raped, hung up on crosses and kept in coffins full of ice, I don't think the fact that I was naked would stop me trying to escape.
You have been watching too many low-budget horror movies mate.
Maybe lay off the acid for a while eh?
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psychedelicious
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 22:42
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dark psy may sound too twisted but its all about one's perception about music
that devil stuff .... it has really nuffin to do with dark psy and trance as a whole 
at least thats how i see the things ;p
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TRapp
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Posted : Jun 28, 2005 23:57
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On 2005-06-28 21:55, Ott^ wrote:
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On 2005-06-28 14:27, TRapp wrote:
she was repeatedly gang raped, in the satanist "safe" houses, her any others clothes were taken forom them so they could not try and escape..
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If I was being tortured and gang-raped, hung up on crosses and kept in coffins full of ice, I don't think the fact that I was naked would stop me trying to escape.
You have been watching too many low-budget horror movies mate.
Maybe lay off the acid for a while eh?
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dude have some fucking respect....
just because you live in GB , where the most exciting thing is that maybe Mr Plod gets to Stop Granny Smith from parking in a yellow zone dont mean that other shit isnt happening in other parts of the world/...
this shit happened...whether you want to believe it or not...maybe you are too scared to believe it..maybe you are on eof those.
i dont do acid btw...nor any other drugs...
i dont really car ewhat you believe but i do think it is really bullshit that you have no respect for somthing that happened to someone because to you it sounds outworldy....
in south africa , a few weeks back in Joburg, 4 men broke into a womens house...tied her and the rest of her family up an dthen raped the 2 older daughters in the house...repeatedly...this is not satantist related...but ..are you now gona tell me its bullshit and i am taking acid...also a few week s back in cape town, men broke into a home and murdered a baby....would you like me to give you links to the news articles....
now just because the other stories i told were word of mouth, and the girl was to scared to take it to the news and police doesnt mean for shit it didnt happen...
so get a fucken grip and wake up to the real world....maybe its a joke to you, but to some of us this isnt a fucking joke....
so go to bed tonightand have a giggle about Trapp on Isratrance telling all the funny little make believe stories , smile to yourself and think haha.. but just know at that very minute in my country at least 2 women are being raped...and at least one person is being murdered...
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slomi
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Posted : Jun 29, 2005 00:02
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I'm Sick of it!!!! DARK TRANCE IS NOT PSYTRANCE !!!!! BAN THEM!!!!!!
go here
http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/65751/forum/18
and please ban them
lets make sense and take apart between psytrance and dark trance we all know they don't like each other!!!!
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DiMiTry
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Posted : Jun 29, 2005 00:10
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well, somebody sure is having a psychotic episode.
i wonder if the devil-worshippers put a spell on him..
..it's just another party.. |
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Ott^
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Posted : Jun 29, 2005 00:11
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Its all Satan's work I tell thee... |
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slomi
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Posted : Jun 29, 2005 00:20
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LETS TAKE APART BETWEEN THE STYLES LIKE HOUSE VS PSYTRANCE!
please do that already
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DjGreen
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Posted : Jun 29, 2005 00:41
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artist express their feelings, ideas, thoughts, and beliefs, throughout their music creations.
this world is not evil-free, and no one life is perfect.
Listening to the news for 1 hour will make me want to create a track named "Satan Inside" or "Underground attack of the evil penguins from D.C".
Making a track titled and themed toward these names, will express feelings of anger and madness the artist might be feeling. After making the track, I am sure the artist is relieved as he let those feelings out.
it is a form of self-expression, that causes relief, both to the listener, and the artist.
I live in the same world, and i do too feel this type of feelings once in awhile, especially after hearing about death caused by stupidity or by massive mass-control techniques.
Then i go to the party, and I dance to a track named "Satan Inside" and I feel relived after going mad for awhile. I surely do not want to dance to a track called "Let's go ride the pony"
you get my point?
music is about expression, not about worshiping the devil.
MINDFLUX - A continuing flow of the human consciousness that originates in the brain and is manifested especially through thought, perception, emotion, will, memory, and imagination. |
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EYB
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Posted : Jun 29, 2005 08:35
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Wow, such a big threat about HandA's little joke
hehe
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Adam H
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Posted : Jun 29, 2005 11:30
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hello....
its not for explain,
you have to feel it.
cheers
adam
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