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djs versus producers

tom anteater
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Posted : Jun 10, 2002 20:12
yeah, i know its an old chestnut and you probably all have the Bob records special edition episode II mug that you had to save up tokens on the back of packets of corn pops for five years and then send off with a stamped addressed envelope to get, twice in fact because the first one got lost in the post.. but...

what ya'all think about the dj / producer debate, which one is more important that is. And yes, you may well think this is a stupid question with an obvious answer 'they do different things so neither is better / more important' however in the UK it is certainly the case that the djs (generally, i'm not really talking about the psy ones here) have a much higher profile than the producers, whereas in the psy scene and certainly in this forum we all care much more (generally) about the producers...

possibly this is because we are all sad old music fanboys and should get out more, or possibly its a genuine difference of attitude between this scene and certain others.. i don't know.. but maybe one of you does           >>love will tear us apart...<<
Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Jun 10, 2002 20:15
it's a very subjective topic.. you can't generalize All Dj/Producers.. some are this way, some are that way.

btw, Bob rec. new edition - triple latte Mug with a detachable coaster for your driving pleasure.. online operators are standing by...           "We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb

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karnaf
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Posted : Jun 10, 2002 20:41
I don't know Jason, I called the hot-line and they'd put me on hold for like half an hour Can I get it through the net?

As for the original issue, IMHO DJ's are more important. The DJs can exist and work just fine without the producers, while the producers can't live with no DJs When something is published, the DJs are usually on the front, in big letters, while the producers stay out there in the background (except for those pushy ones)




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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Jun 10, 2002 20:43
dont forget to ask about the extra tissues which we are giving away for free.

just call: 555-I-Love-Bob


nahh just kidding hehehe as for me i think jason is right... its two diffrent sides just doing what they love... no need for categorizing everyone into little files

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PsyTom
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Posted : Jun 10, 2002 20:53
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On 2002-06-10 20:41, karnaf wrote:
The DJs can exist and work just fine without the producers, while the producers can't live with no DJs
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Producers, as in the meaning of composers?
How can DJs exist without music? The DJs play already made material (although giving it a new meaning), so if someone, the producers, won't create this material, what would they play?

On the other hand, though, parties, a respected area in the trance scene, couldn't really exist without DJs, so...

It's a chicken & egg question ...

PT
Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Jun 10, 2002 21:22
Producers are the one who guide the way you record and write your music. in a way, producers are much like film directors, or better yet, a symphony conductor. some of these people are accomplished musicians and composers (in most cases.. i don't really think Eyal Barkan is a musician), so generally speaking, they know what they are doing, and than some.
some DJ's are also accomplished musicians and some rose to that DJ podium by being producers and/or musicians, such as yahel.           "We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb

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tom anteater
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Posted : Jun 11, 2002 01:58
ok guys.. sorry i may not have been clear, by producers i meant people who write trance tracks, not just the people that master and eq it...

back to the floor

btw i think psytom has hit on the core problem: why venerate dj's when without anyone writing the music they would not have anything to dj? go figure.. thousands of lemmings in the UK clearly can't           >>love will tear us apart...<<
Luiz Paulo
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Posted : Jun 11, 2002 02:03
Well let`s see: who commands the bigger prices?
Psysex or Dr. Borris?
GMS or Shanti?

that`s it bottom line....

though I think both are important...

btw, coming up: Bob Rec. trancyclopedia....more details from Anders soon.
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Jun 11, 2002 03:14
without dj´s we would have 100% LIVE ACTS!!!!! only that i think we can get slightly borde with that....





dont worry luiz i´ll promote it later and every isratrancer will get a nice discount... just call:

555-I-Am-Full-Of-Pure-Shit



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Gilad Refael
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Posted : Jun 11, 2002 12:59
extreme but           REHAB is for quitters
Borris
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Posted : Jun 11, 2002 15:11
Luiz, who gets paid more, John Digweed or Andy Ling. (Digweed plays Andy ling tracks)

BTW in the "Healthy" techno and house scenes most DJ's produce music as well (or get music produced by someone else and then buy the track from him and sign their name to it, Legaly) In the trance scene this happens as well, Mark Allen, A DJ in defenition produces some music as well, so does Tsuyoshi.
About the importance Q, what is more important Boys or girls?? it's a symbiotic relationship where one needs the other. no solo exsistance is posible.           Kinetic Honda GmbH, Worldwide Supliers of Quality noise.
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tom anteater
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Posted : Jun 11, 2002 15:32
ya, for sure no solo existance is possible, my question is more why the split in peoples appreciation is the way it is...           >>love will tear us apart...<<
Hodi
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 15:02
but the producers are also DJ'S! so the producers don't need DJ'S at all!
(infected mushroom - producers & dj's, space cat - producer & DJ's,xerox - producer and dj)
actually every producer is also a DJ !
Fungus Mungus
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 19:55
what you have to look at is the the structure of it all. A dj is nothing. end of sentence. It does take some skill to be a dj but I have proved that anyone can do it with practice. all you have to do is know how to count and have a little but of rhythmn. Producing. Very technical. Especially when your only one person like myself. I am a DJ, and a Musician, and I can say that DJing is pointless unless your doing it to hear the music you like mixed. Lets be honest, how many people do you hear saying "Im DJ this" or "DJ That" . How many people have told you they actually make the music that makes the dj?           -=Keep it Spiritual=-

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Borris
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 20:35
Mr Hod. Most trance Producers can't DJ. sorry it's the truth.
also not all producers are good / known DJ's.
And if the DJ is nothing how come in the big comercial world DJ's are more popular then producers???           Kinetic Honda GmbH, Worldwide Supliers of Quality noise.
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