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Fungus Mungus
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 21:56
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because most of the producers are not musicians. a musician can play live. a dj can play live.
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Hodi
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 23:23
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the famous DJ'S such as paul oakenfold, sasha, tiesto are also producers...
every producer is a famous DJ!!
well almost all of them |
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Luiz Paulo
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Posted : Jun 13, 2002 23:34
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Look, one thing is a guy who got famous because he makes (really makes) music, and every once in a while happens to spin at a party.
Another thing, very very different, is someone who got famous because he is an awesome DJ. And here I mean really DJing, not plain and simple beatmatching. All of the guys you mentioned fall into the category (except Tiesto maybe, but I really dunno much about other scenes - Doc get in here).
Oh, and btw read Borris first post. Many famous DJs pay to put their name on the track dude.
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timsensient
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Posted : Jun 14, 2002 05:08
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i think in other scenes (eg. hip hop) the dj can be very creative but in psytrance, there really is not that much to it...beat mixing is pretty easy, and then its just a matter of knowing your music. And when you are a producer and play your own tunes, you know the music very well, because you've sat down and spent a week writing the thing. To me, being a psytrance dj is the equivalent of being in a covers band ie. playing other peoples music...producing is where the real talent is at. There is room for both, but give credit where credit is due! |
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Fungus Mungus
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Posted : Jun 14, 2002 07:34
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my want to curse the title of dj does not go well in this category. djs are just arrogant.
but yes i agree, with psy trance there not much creativity involved other than manking one cool ass beat out of a song or two. you cant get into the groove it the beats are changed up and the sound moving around like with breakbeat or hip hop.
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nikur
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Posted : Jun 14, 2002 18:48
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well, there wouldn't be much music for dj's to mix, without producers, creating some first.
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talamasca
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Posted : Jun 16, 2002 12:43
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well , i love this question........i have to answer....
first , i would like to say , without saying any names , that the producers who were djs before to produce , for most of them , they will know more than the others what people want.....because before to make their first track , they know already for sure what make the people shout...but this is an average , of course it depends on any dj....the problem we have in trance , came from the DAT scene , in a time when all the "famous" djs played dat , when the local djs used to play vinyl...as everybody know NOW , it s impossible to MIX beat on beat with dats!(some will say it is possible , then i have to remind them than taking two tracks of the same bpm and pushing the pause button in the good time is not a real mix!!!)so the trance scene growned in a "non-mix" atmosphere and people get used to it...this is the problem....fortunatly , the cd players arrived and now , we begin to see that even djs who played dat for years and years , now they have to learn how to mix because everywhere they play in the world , the local djs play better......but anyway , both or them are important........this discussion is too vast to be discussed here , but whatever happens , producers need djs and djs need producers.........cruel world....  |
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Kaatisu
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Posted : Jun 17, 2002 11:55
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Talamasca's on-line! This forum's getting better and better.
Fungus Mungus: I disagree that a DJ is nothing. I'm not a DJ, but I believe that a great DJ is both a great technician and artist. A majik mix, IMO, is more than smoothly blending the songs together.
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Fungus Mungus
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Posted : Jun 17, 2002 20:53
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I also disagree with myself to an extent. But, DJing is pure mechanics. Practice Practice. Everything has a system with DJing. You still need rhythmn but you can teach yourself that. Next thing to tackle is timing. And of course, the age old system of counting from 1 to 4, 16, 32, ect. Oh and a unique ability to loop.
Djing imho is a skill you aquire rather than a talent you have.
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Ron Lyner
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Posted : Jun 17, 2002 22:08
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well.. dj mixing is not what's doing the DJ's good..
the music they play is the important thing..
as you said mixing is easy..
but playing the right music is the important thing..
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Kaz
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Posted : Jun 17, 2002 22:18
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DJ technique requires a lot of style, and a lot of planning. There are many sides to this (technique, choice of styles, choice of tracks, reading the crowd, and most importantly giving his own unique ideas to the dancers)...
And disagreeing with talamasca: on the contrary, I think that if an artist thinks "how will the crowd like this music" it makes it a lot less pure. With all due respect, Hallucinogen - Twisted would have never come out with that attitude, and Juno Reactor wouldn't have existed.
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Jun 17, 2002 22:30
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On 2002-06-17 20:53, Fungus Mungus wrote:
I also disagree with myself to an extent. But, DJing is pure mechanics. Practice Practice. Everything has a system with DJing. You still need rhythmn but you can teach yourself that. Next thing to tackle is timing. And of course, the age old system of counting from 1 to 4, 16, 32, ect. Oh and a unique ability to loop.
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I beg to differ. i have heard quite a few guys who are natural talents on the mixing table, and im talking about guys touching a mixer and CDJ for like, the second time in his life.
i agree, there is a degree of practice in DJing. so is there in playing the guitar. are you suggesting that playing the guitar is pure mechanics? i think some ppl would dissagree.
i have also heard some DJ's using some tunes which were pretty lame, and the mixed them so well, no one seemed to bother..
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tom anteater
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Posted : Jun 18, 2002 01:52
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aaah, i think the "what makes a good dj?" almost warrants a new thread...
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Fungus Mungus
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Posted : Jun 18, 2002 16:08
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The guitar is not something to compare with a DJ. Turntables arent even an instrument. They are hardware. Choice of music is important blah blah blah. It goes on and on. Musical talent and mechanical talent are different. Think about it. When you play a guitar (Im a master) your feeling and heart go into it. When you play guitar, its more of a flow that not everyone has. I come from a group of people who are all DJs, but when it comes to playing a real instrument, only myself and a few others can play an instrument. When your spinning vinyl, your counting down the timing, flipping switches, playing looped beats, and mixing. Compare a DJ to a sound engineer, or a producer, but never a musician.
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Posted : Dec 5, 2005 06:33
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I completely disagree with Fungus Mungus.
A good DJ must know what to play and must have talent and skills to use the music in the proper wait. He must get feedback from the crowd and in real time choose, equalize, mix and even modify the music (by adding layers from other tracks, like bass and melodies and so on).
A good DJ is rare, he must have good taste and personality to choose the right music and to inovate, he does not need killargh unrlsd.
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