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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 6, 2004 15:28
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what do you think would happen if a big party was thrown without a live act with a dj only lineup??
it would certainly be a lot cheaper for the organisers and would also cause less hastle with the line-up times, flights, hotels, equipment hire etc.... all these things make parties really difficult to organise so much so that its not even a PARTY anymore just an EVENT. |
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Yeah... parties generally celebrate something specific - birthdays, New Years, Bar Mitzvahs, etc... even many early trance parties were specifically celebrations of life and the organisers and partygoers had that in mind at these events. What is being celebrated these days?
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John
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Posted : Jan 6, 2004 15:41
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Without going too much off topic re: DJs/live acts..
I think the mid/late 90s goa/psy party scene was different for a number of reasons - the main one being that it was all new for most involved in it - everyone was going through their honeymoon period with all that entails.
(same thing happend in the more mainstream trance scene in London when all the ozzies/kiwis backpackers discovered clubbing in the late 90s - the scene got turned around as it was new to so many clubbers)
The second is that old - "nostalgia isnt what it used to be".. i'm sure if you looked at a similar discussion from 96, everyone would be moaning about how it was better "back in the day"!
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humph
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Posted : Jan 6, 2004 16:19
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not sure that its really anything to do with back in the day. I`ve had as much fun at good parties in the last couple of years as i ever have had, just fewer and far between. You can`t hark back to the old days - yeh, be influenced by them, but the time is now !!!! lets think about the future !! i love it as much , if not more than i ever have done, but with that comes a healthy distance and reflection. tuning in at the right times with as much love and passion as ever.
Back to the thread though - part of the thing is that all artsists have a sound and if you have 3 live acts in a night, you then have 3 hrs of music by three artsists. This can become quite boring , even with the best of them. True too that most artists who play LIVE are a con. More just playing a few audio files from a laptop - mostly too just a stereo out!
lets keep the balance and incorporate the whole experince - with amazing soundsystems - another thing people have forgotten about - amazing decor ! haven`t been stunned for ages. Lets keep innovating!!
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nobody_3
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Posted : Jan 6, 2004 16:21
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On 2004-01-06 15:28, Colin OOOD wrote:
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what do you think would happen if a big party was thrown without a live act with a dj only lineup??
it would certainly be a lot cheaper for the organisers and would also cause less hastle with the line-up times, flights, hotels, equipment hire etc.... all these things make parties really difficult to organise so much so that its not even a PARTY anymore just an EVENT. |
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Yeah... parties generally celebrate something specific - birthdays, New Years, Bar Mitzvahs, etc... even many early trance parties were specifically celebrations of life and the organisers and partygoers had that in mind at these events. What is being celebrated these days?
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I would also like to see parties with less DJ's that would be allowed to take people into a longer journey instead of their 2 hour "Boost the ego" set's 
The issue is that todays parties (not all but most) have becomed a parade of "superstars" showing off their new unreleased tracks and brand new labtop .. lol
Back to basic wouldn't be so bad.... It would actually be an improvement 
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Nicc
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Posted : Jan 7, 2004 14:43
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On 2004-01-06 16:21, Elysium Project wrote:
I would also like to see parties with less DJ's that would be allowed to take people into a longer journey instead of their 2 hour "Boost the ego" set's
The issue is that todays parties (not all but most) have becomed a parade of "superstars" showing off their new unreleased tracks and brand new labtop .. lol
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Yeah, that's a good idea, and a well noted comment. What really grabbed me about psy the first time i heard it was that the producers were unknown, and there's a DJ, who doesn't claim to be anything great, he just knows about, and owns some good music. Lately it seems that everyone has become "superstars" as E wrote above. Live acts have become concerts, which isn't what it's all about. Even the DJs always want to own the latest, unreleased stuff, which is understandable, but owning the unreleased stuff has become a status symbol, where there never used to be any status elements to parties, everyone was a part of the party, the confused guy at the corner of the dancefloor loosing his head on mushrooms no less so than the DJ, and that's changed. As mentioned earlier as well.. everyone is checking out the next person because status has become important... how much music do you own, how many parties to you go to, how many producers do you know, this forum itself is a bit of a testiment to that, some posts i've read definitely reflect that attitude.
So yeah, a party with only a handfull of DJs who don't consider themselves to be gods, who just want to contribute to an awesome night would be worth travelling quite a distance to attend. |
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John
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Posted : Jan 11, 2004 02:08
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I must admit I'm bemused as to the obsession about playing the most unreleased tunes - surely DJing should be more about what you *do* with your tunes than just having the connections to get tunes nobody else has...
(though its nothing new - jamaican Djs in the 50s used to scratch off the record labels so nobody would know what their killer tune was)
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tigga
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Posted : Jan 21, 2004 03:59
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having taken something of a sabbactical from the trance world, i came back to it at Earthcore near to melbourne, really up for a good party. the flyer had so many people playing that there was enough for three days full of music, but hey, when we got there everyone had 1.5 hour sets....so they squeezed all these people into a day and night....what a load of crap.....djs need 3 hour sets or more....(remembering tristan playing for something like 5+ hours at Solipse 99)....and this thead has grabbed the headlines in my brain as to why the journey has been lost....i did post about egoism in trance as opposed to commercialsim (which is a subset of egoism), the thread was largely ignored but it definately ties in with this one in a big way....( http://forum.isratrance.com/viewtopic.php/topic/21227/forum/42 )....the journey has to an extent has been lost. even when there are a lot of djs playing 1.5 hours is not enough. it simply means that the dj plays his or her own style and bangs it out hard. with 3+ hours a dj can work out from the previous style into his or her own style...and it flows, and changes, and works around and suddenly your on a journey. a journey doesn't jump from one place to another with no time in between. at earthcore the onus was on the organisers to get the order right to flow, but even thought they did well with 1.5 hours a dj can do nothing but play as phat as possible or whatever is his style....and it showed. tristan and hallucinogen saved the day (hallucinogen with a 50% all new live set - phaps some new music on the way) and played sublime - the king as ever.....but there was no flow, jump here jump there.....
bring back the journey!
bring back the djs!
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nobody_3
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Posted : Jan 21, 2004 15:13
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I totally agree
I remember when I was playing 14 hours in Greece (yes 14) and 8 in Israel. If your lucky today you will be able to play 2 hours  How is a DJ ever surposed to build a good set and take people on a journey when he/she only have that short time?
It's simply a matter of putting as much names on in a row so the organisers will attract as many people as possible... The whole idea about how to make people get into a journey is long gone and the only way people nowadays can reach that state is by doing more and stronger drugs!
People (organisers especially) simply dont care about the quality of the parties anymore... They just want to see the "stars" like in any other mainstream rock concert! Harsh words indeed but yet true
I also blame the artists and DJ's for accepting this and only go for the money.,... Thats exactly what they do..... They rather play 2 hours and get lot's of money than play a set that will be remembered by people for the rest of their lives. But what can you expect when they dont even want to enjoy a party anyway.. They turn up 5 minutes before their "gig" and go home straight after they are done.
sad I say
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Mike Indidginus
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Posted : Jan 23, 2004 18:19
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On 2004-01-06 13:47, effel wrote:
this has gone off a bit eh (this aint the first time i seen an ood vs. mike |
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Maybe we should get Don King involved then. Might make a quick buck or two out of the next one. |
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GoaFreak
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Posted : Jan 23, 2004 19:03
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Elysium Project, what you've noted is quite true.
Even in Goa, where folk expect less regimented parties, it's becoming all about the specific DJs in attendance. Promoters will try and get as many acts as possible to attend, and create flyers that look more like film credits than party info.
I think the best nights are when a couple of decent DJs are given several hours each to really develop a set and take people on a journey, from start to finish.
All this live act stuff is just a bit cheesy, and apart from being a con does very little to advance the music or atmosphere. |
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jan 23, 2004 20:13
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On 2004-01-21 15:13, Elysium Project wrote:
I also blame the artists and DJ's for accepting this and only go for the money.,... Thats exactly what they do..... They rather play 2 hours and get lot's of money than play a set that will be remembered by people for the rest of their lives.
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But playing at parties is the only way most psy-trance artists will ever make enough money from the scene to make their effort worthwhile in any terms other than personal satisfaction; as we've established you've got to be really lucky (or GMS/Infected etc) to make anything from your releases (assuming your tunes are releasable, eg not on Soulseek).
How are artists expected to make any money from the scene? Are we even allowed to? Are the only people allowed to profit financially the promoters, labels and distributors (ie everyone except the people actually making the music)?
Colin
PS I'd also like to reply to Kristian's final point and say that we've done a few 3-hour live sets in the past, turn up early and generally stay all night, and if it's a good party I am often glued to the dancefloor most of the time, so Yah Boo Sux to you 
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NeutroN
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Posted : Jan 23, 2004 21:30
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I don't know where to start in this topic hahaha I could go on for ages.
I just want to point out a few points:
1)keeping to the topic, dj sets not live acts, for me it doesnt really mather their are djs who can kick any live act ass and vice versa. the only thing that mathers here IMO is the journey that either of them take us (ppl listening to them) some start and end exactly the same others take us to a great journey where ive already seen ppl crying (and no they were not using drugs) ive never seen goa gil playing, but ive heard from people that his sets lasts for 20 something hrs, not such good mixing, but great energy. (I wouldnt know never saw him playing)
2)I am very close of quiting going to one night indoor parties, for me they are becoming senseless, amazing line-ups no taught, but i just dont see the point, id much more rather save my money untill a outdoor party or even maybe travel and see how trance is in other countries, probably just for festivals (and no its not a festival fevor, i prefer the small, medium size festivals, with not so may great 'stars' in the line-up)
3)IMO ppl show chill more and stop complaining a bit, ahhh only full-on on the lineup, ahhh the line-up is not so good. on the end of the day we are their to have fun with our friends not to be a music critic. I just cant stand the fact that a party has to be allll full-on or alll progressive, or that one of them has to be in a corner hiden room. IMO their should only have 2 ambients in a party, a main dance floor and a chill-out, if u dont like the music go to the chill-out and chill with ur mates or meet new people.
Hope i havent bored u guys till death
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nobody_3
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Posted : Jan 23, 2004 23:08
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On 2004-01-23 20:13, Colin OOOD wrote:
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On 2004-01-21 15:13, Elysium Project wrote:
I also blame the artists and DJ's for accepting this and only go for the money.,... Thats exactly what they do..... They rather play 2 hours and get lot's of money than play a set that will be remembered by people for the rest of their lives.
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But playing at parties is the only way most psy-trance artists will ever make enough money from the scene to make their effort worthwhile in any terms other than personal satisfaction; as we've established you've got to be really lucky (or GMS/Infected etc) to make anything from your releases (assuming your tunes are releasable, eg not on Soulseek).
How are artists expected to make any money from the scene? Are we even allowed to? Are the only people allowed to profit financially the promoters, labels and distributors (ie everyone except the people actually making the music)?
Colin
PS I'd also like to reply to Kristian's final point and say that we've done a few 3-hour live sets in the past, turn up early and generally stay all night, and if it's a good party I am often glued to the dancefloor most of the time, so Yah Boo Sux to you
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Hi mate
My actual point was (maybe not so good stated) that we the artists and DJ's might actually benefit from trying to "teach" the organisers to look different at the lineup (yeah I know it's Utopia). And if you can make a party (doubt it) where your only 2-3 DJ's then you migth also make a bit more money and play a longer set
I know there's plenty of DJ's and bands out there that would love to play much longer and just maybe if we started to kick the organisers butts we might actuall see a change Maybe a Union wouldn't be so bad in this situation LOL
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Paulbenn
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Posted : Jan 30, 2004 19:41
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I think there's a distinction to be drawn in what different people seem to think of as "ego" - Do we mean 1) Thinking that your own tunes are good, good enough to be played back-to-back for an hour+ (supported by promoters and crowds who, presumably, are "fuelling" this ego by booking live acts)? or do we mean
2) Acting like a tosser? I don't think these two things are the same, and I totally agree with Colin that it's almost as if artists in Psy aren't *allowed* to make a living out of it. Why not? Is it because you're not supposed to be "for real" any more if enough people know your tunes to let you pay the gas? I think a lot of this probably stems from a (mmm maybe fair enough) mistrust of money-making in Psy, due to hippies (who I do love, but I think maybe overly mistrust ANY sort of commercial activity sometimes when it can actually make some pretty cool things happen).
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Ott^
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Posted : Jan 30, 2004 22:48
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I never wanted to be a DJ.
I wanted to be a lumberjack - leaping from tree to tree! As they float down the mighty rivers of British Columbia! With my best girl by my side!
*cough*
Sorry.
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