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___Lo69sT
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Posted : Nov 19, 2001 11:27:08
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i like your way of thinking reece! |
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___Karp
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Posted : Nov 22, 2001 19:29:11
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Like you guys said everyone is a DJ in Psy-trance, that's because the crowd doesn't really care about the DJ technique and mixing, sooner or later ppl will realize that technique is the most important thing in DJing like in other scenes as well...
When is happens lots of big names in psy-trance scene, will loose their places...
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___Reece
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Posted : Nov 23, 2001 05:34:05
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[quote]...that's because the crowd doesn't really care about the DJ technique and mixing,... [/quote]
unless u r one of those punters who likes to stand at the back of the party and bag the f**k out the dj... <yeah, i could do SO much better 8)>
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___yuli
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Posted : Nov 23, 2001 14:40:38
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Ha Ha Ha Good one Reece |
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___Auspexx
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Posted : Nov 23, 2001 15:47:01
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not accurate.
ppl dont necessarily stand and listen to your beatmix tech', but I've seen so many parties where <so called> DJs were either downmixing all the time (which is nice for changes of tempo but if done too often simply killes the set), or try to beatmix with no knowledge/ability (the worst case - ppl standing for 1-2 minutes trying to decide which beat is the right one...).
the purpose of beatmix is to create some sort of continuation to the hypnotic trance state that the 4x4 beat gives you. if you downmix all the time, the trance will last only for the duration of the track, and will break when the downmix takes place (unless the downmix is also done while matching beats). on the other hand, if you beatmix all the time, you might cause ppl to become bored with the set.
the idea is (IMO) to know when to beatmix and when it is time to release the set and let ppl 'brethe', change direction or 'mood' and so on. being a dj is about knowing the music, knowing the technique and knowing how and WHEN to use it. IMHO. |
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___vor
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Posted : Nov 24, 2001 01:35:24
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there´s another point I believe that matters...
there are some producers that think they produce good music, so they are good djs or, ate least, they are able to play a dj set... Kostas, from Magus, for example, is a good producer, but a terrible dj... and sometimes organizers and even the producer by himself (maybe for earning some extra money with the dj set) puts the producer to play his live set and then, a dj set (this is very commom here in brazil).... and sometimes it sucks!!! Of course there are producers that are really good djs (DJ Lestat, for instance) but when the producer doesn´t know how to play, it doesn´t matter that he have good music he received from other producers friends of him or from the label that it won´t work on the dancefloor...
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___Dj_Shed
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Posted : Dec 6, 2001 11:21:47
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well i agree with u ppl mostly but one day my friend told me like this on very crowded place
everyone is fucked up so who the fuck care about
mixing!!!!!!!!
well i thought this is very real and funny but on the contrary, to create trance and to make ppl put into nice trance world, then beatmix is a must but imo the music matters all the time.
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___Karp
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Posted : Dec 6, 2001 14:45:20
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If the "everyone is fucked up" argument was an excuse not to mix, techno, house, DnB DJs wouldn't mix too... Have you ever gone to a Techno club? ppl there are as fucked up or more then trance ppl and those guys knows about beatmatching.
sorry but I don't agree, in my opinion it's an excuse from those guys that are too lazy to learn beatmatching and just get the latest unreleased tracks and just play one after another....
btw: beatmatching is pretty easy to learn, in 2-3 months you can have at least some basic knowledge.
np: Lish - Brainrush |
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___squidbyte
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Posted : Dec 6, 2001 23:40:42
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goa djs do seem lazy!
it would be unfair, however, to say that all other genres are doing fine... popular does not mean talented! if you look in the trance, hard house, and other genres you will often find airheads with no skill but a big PR budget going into other people's studios and paying them to put their name on a track to get more gigs where they show up coked out of their mind needing two flunkies to hold them up while they trainwreck horribly... you know, that happens all over the place... but ONLY in the goa scene do you find people who completely do not give a fuck about personal growth as a DJ it would seem! there are those that consider beat-matching to be "tricks" that are un-needed... to those people i would say that a good set consists mostly of seamlessly beatmatched tracks weaved together in an intricate storyline punctuated with full breaks where the particularly well-composed tracks have a chance to shine by playing the full outro/intro [think of the songs as chapters and these breaks as parts perhaps!]... but that's just one idea. i just don't get how someone who aspires to share music with others wouldn't put some time and effort into the presentation... do they not understand that jarring clashes of sound cause people to STOP dancing? i dont even particularly like it when they're all soft-mixes... it means you have to take a break! which is of course fine from time to time but sometimes i just want to dance right through a whole bunch of tracks - they just lift you higher with each step until your heads in the stratosphere and you can't see the ground.
other genres have standards... some high, some low. certain electronic music artforms are very precise and skill is the most important aspect. goa is the most producer-oriented genre but could use a little bit of respectful djing... over in europe and israel there are probably some good examples still, but here... well there is sometimes something lacking. and the int'l djs i hear... well they don't impress me much anyway. it is perhaps why the unreleased trade thrives so much? when no one really tries to mix well it just matters what is played... so why pay one guy $50 and another guy $1000? probably cuz the more expensive guy works with a label or has the eLiTeSt 0-day psy warez ya know? i don't get it :)
pardon the ramble! most of the expression here is one of NOT UNDERSTANDING cuz really i just dont get why people don't put a bit more pizazz into their hobbies [or in some cases, careers.. which is sadder!]..
but ya, most of all i want to see live acts complimented with some skilled storytellers. |
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___Dj_Shed
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Posted : Dec 7, 2001 03:48:58
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hahaha yeah u got some point
and u! i didnt say that is imho!
i just put some audience idea about being fucked up brah brah brah this one got some point from my point of view. if u r in the country which th e scene is not underground will understand and dj will face this matter. kids likes gms so why not play gms on right time for them. ( hehe i dont play them though ) then they will be happy.
maybe most ppl on this forum r maniac of psy trance. if u r dj, u need to stand and dance like as dancers i thnk
just need to have fun at party grrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
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___squidbyte
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Posted : Dec 7, 2001 17:13:34
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yah. what is with DJs showing up for a gig, playing their spot, then leaving? it seems wrong... you should go for the whole thing, work your magic in context. |
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___DJ_Kenneth
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Posted : Dec 8, 2001 12:51:12
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I agree with some of your perspectives, but if u r saying that a good DJ is a Dj who makes music, or at least knows how 2 beat-mix, then howcome (until his last cd) Gidi Hovek Olam isso succeful? not that i have anything against him, but he doesnt know how 2 mix! i heard him lately in a party and he doesnt know how 2 mix! so howcome he is 1 of the most respected and well knon DJ's in Israel if he didnt make music untill this yeaR?????????
Think about it... |
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___yuli
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Posted : Dec 8, 2001 14:07:51
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Guy wazzup,
I would like to know what do you mean by doesn't know how to mix. I have heard Gidi 1 month ago and he beat mixes very well - YES he doesn't make long mixes of 3 minutes, heh, but I don't see a reason why should he - he plays Full On therefore less need to mix between the trax but keep the flow - and that he does well, and beat matches.
;-) this response didn't come b'cuz Gidi & I are friends - I dislike the style he is playing, its too Full On and commercial for me... But - he mixes very well indeed!!!
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___PsYoNic_604_
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Posted : Dec 8, 2001 17:45:11
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I think maybe there are more better djs in commercial styles than in psycedelic 'cause of the overkill in other styles....most styles have been here longer than psytrance and are easier to mix i think.
Don't get me wrong my favorites are definately psy djs and those are my "rolemodels". For my own thechnique i try to achieve a perfect beatmix; same bpm, the right bar, track has to have a simmularity with the previous one, smooth eq-ing...I have been practising for one and a half year now and learning new things everytime i hit my cdjs. That's the fun part of it; it's a never ending story....
Only thing i never could understand and hope i'll never get is that dj image/attitude...i started it for the love of the music not for the fame or money and i think that's the best way...
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___kaz
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Posted : Dec 8, 2001 18:11:57
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In short, DJs should mix. The better they do it, the better it is for the party. The standard in psy is lower than house/club. Yes, track selection is very important, but that's not the only thing. Promoters who push bad DJs, or decide to experiment with DJing in a party are doing very bad things to the people in the party, so they should stop. DJs are artists too, and give their own side to the music they play.
This was written over a considerable amount of time by many people, AGAIN, and is going nowhere from now.
Lock this thread please :)
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