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Disrespectful attitudes within the scene!?!

shamanizer


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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 15:12
First of all I want to say that it's not my intention to be disrespectful towards anybody.
I'm a new comer on this site, not in the scene (however, i've been "inactive" lately).
What I've noticed in here is surprisingly much disrespectful attitudes towards some trance artists. This scene used to be about belonging, harmony and respect, right? Ofcourse, it was a necessity to arrange parties in secrecy (and probably still is) because of obvious reasons, but I can't remember the trance audience mocking artists like I see happening nowadays.
True, some of them started to make money and turned to commercial music making, became "big", but its their right and without any doubt it has also developed the quality of the music. When you turn to real professional you gotta adjust your music, its not a new phenomenom and punk is whithering away;-). I can understand that this issue is kind of controversial because of the market forces, but anyone should be able to do anything one wants with his/her music without people in here mocking them.
I can also remember people going on about distributing the message to masses. Scene has changed when it became more well known among masses and its hard to keep it underground if it even should be kept.
At the end, everyone has a right to have what ever opinions they want, but when bringing it to public one should consider other people.
traveller
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 15:46
True, some of them started to make money and turned to commercial music making, became "big", but its their right and without any doubt it has also developed the quality of the music.

Well I totally disagree with the quality part..           "The dinosaurs became extinct because they didn't have a space program."
- Larry Niven
shamanizer


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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 15:55
Traveller, what I mean with the quality is better equipment, more skillful production, more versatile sound world etc. not the music style or direction. Maybe the term "quality" in here is a bit misleading.
offthenutboom
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 20:16
Why do we get stuck in the same razionalization. There is a sociological pattern in our society. There are innovators. This are the ppl who create new ideas, philosophies, art. They usually react against the previous group of innovators who now are part of the mainstream culture. Mockery happens in this cases. It has happen throughout the history of art.

I personally give it to all artists. It takes hard work to finish one track I have done it. Sometimes the art is not my taste and is something i will not support. Everyone is different.
orenmaimon


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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 21:40
Quote:

On 2005-07-26 15:46, traveller wrote:
True, some of them started to make money and turned to commercial music making, became "big", but its their right and without any doubt it has also developed the quality of the music.

Well I totally disagree with the quality part..



somehow i agree with you mr.arrogant

for good example -> infected mushroom with their new sound, boring and too plastic too clean and dry, this isn't good, this is totaly less of creativity and even doesn't work in parties, and doesn't work while listening.


shamanizer, you right in some points, and people should consider being more nice in public instead of being cynical like me and mr T arrogant.
HandA
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 21:48
Quote:

On 2005-07-26 21:40, orenmaimon wrote:
for good example -> infected mushroom with their new sound, boring and too plastic too clean and dry, this isn't good, this is totaly less of creativity and even doesn't work in parties, and doesn't work while listening.



And maybe you should move on and let the past be the past for IM and listen to something you appriciate. I have never liked anything IM made but as surely tallented musicians I 100% respect their wish to do whatever they like. It's called to evolve as an artist instead of getting stuck 5-10+ years in the same pattern like some BIG artists seem to master to perfection in this scene
And that goes for all artists as long as they have a tallent.
Those who dont have a tallent should not give up their day job and not release their music but just keep making their music for their own pleasure.
psy^soldier
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 21:59
but when artist doing music for money and to be big and famous and doing this using the psytrance secne yes i will mock them mock mock mock
Lithium
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 22:07
hi there

what do you mean by mockin the artists?
the only artist i see people mokin is skazi, but this is a different case. i donīt see anyone disrespecting the artists, although as this is a forum people share their opinions and it is in fact impossible to please everyone, no one can do that, so every artist is exposed to good critics and bad critics by the publicīs general tastes. and if there are jokes or something i donīt see them as desrespectfull and i speak for myself on this one i try to respect everyone no matter if he is an artist or a comom user.
Oran
IsraTrance Team

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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 23:13
had to delete some posts from this thread.

ppl try to read the 1st post again.this thread is not about your musical taste.

don't turn it to "my favorite artists thread" please,we have enough of those.

thanks.
          Always agressive never progressive.
Willy Wonka
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Posted : Jul 26, 2005 23:45
I think everything is equal!
Some artists don't respect what trance used to be as some listeners don't respect some artists. Well balanced scene.

I think everything is about making easy money!
In fact commercial music is not easy money music same as artists got disrespectful remarks are the ones who do nothing in their so called music. So stop calling shite to commercial, because shite is shite but commercial is different kind of music, music for masses but usually even better produced than any underground wannabe.

What to do with easy money!
To buy drugs or pay for sex it doesn't matter, there is no evolve process in music related to money. You can't combine money and music! Money won't make you more talanted, most of music artists i remember done their best works when they were not that know and not that rich. Basically many of artists release the best music on 1 or 2 album and then turn no ideas something sound like old ones.

Buttom line, disrespect towards artists won by themselfs in fact. Disrespect in psy scene is just result of scene grow and acceptence.
Ron Lyner
Ron Lyner

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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 01:21
what do you care if people are mocking big commercial artists ???
im sure these artists doesnt give a fuck about the people that mocking them, it only gives them more promotions and they make more money..           http://www.o-zen.com/art/ranal
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DennisTenaglia

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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 02:50
when you haven't got more to say you start doing crap as lots of commercial trance music. just make money and fuk and say 'I'm the best'. psytrance music doesn't need this attitude: fukking bush philosophy. we need the teaching and it doesn't come form them or from me or from pink floyd or from goagil or from jinsberg and terence mckenney.
please something new now...it's the right time, isn't it?
Maska
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 03:50
Like I said in a previous posts, I appreciate those who evolve their skills and talents as long as they maintain the true meaning, or they are not in this scene anymore, they have disconnected themselves from it, or maybe were never true to it in the first place....People like Space Cat and Deedrah have evolved their sound, but have maintained the fundamentals...I am so over the you've got to respect the artist crap....For what, the commercialized/pop ones don't respect the true meaning of our scene, so why should we respect their decision to unaturally push our music and scene onto people who would be attracted for all the worng reasons? Why? They are just people like you and I....They chose to be pop/egotistical artist without respecting the "core meaning" of our music/culture and I chose not to approve of it.....Basic give and take if you ask me......
          assumption is the mother of all fuckups.
Liquid-Vision


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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 06:52
As much as they have the right to release whatever they want, I have the right to tease/ make fun of/ mock/ disrepect the garbage they release.           We are all visitors to this time, this place. We are just passing through. Our purpose here is to observe, to learn, to grow, to love... and then we return home.
Basilisk
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Posted : Jul 27, 2005 08:01
Quote:

On 2005-07-26 15:55, shamanizer wrote:
Traveller, what I mean with the quality is better equipment, more skillful production, more versatile sound world etc. not the music style or direction. Maybe the term "quality" in here is a bit misleading.



Haha, no kidding.

Fact is, artists have the "right" to do anything they fucking please, but if they start making shit music then people are going to call them on it... and guess what? That's the right of the fans!

So, wait... are the fans just a bunch of big babies, crying when the artists they enjoy achieve some level of success, while their music stays pure? No. Fact is - the artists you hear getting dissed up are making easily digestable tripe these days, far away from the deeper psychedelic style they are perhaps capable of. Infected is a great example - maybe you like 'em, maybe not, but whatever. For a lot of people into this music they made some really great material years ago - and the stuff they do today - although impressively high-tech! - lacks the charming content of olde. Again, the question is simply - does success cause people to irrationally dislike an artist? Have a look at Shpongle... again, I think most will agree that they have become one of the most successful acts in the psytrance world. And I would personally argue that their music has stayed pure and deeply psychedelic. They've been able to appeal to a wider audience without taking some questionable course, so hats off to them. Shpongle remains complex and intricate, which isn't something you can say about Skazi for example. Positivity is a great force for good in the scene but lets not go spitting rays of sunlight with our every word if it isn't deserved.
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