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Disrespectful attitudes within the scene!?!
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Surrender
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i think u have a good point there mr. Haltya. let me share a funny anecdote from a party in mexico 2 years ago. i happend to be on stage just hanging out listening the music and enjoying the party - the party featured some big names and easily had 5000+ attendants, mostly teens. everytime one of the artists wanted to get off the stage area and go dance or even get water/beer... they were swarmed by a mass of people who wanted autographs on just about anything imaginable. im sure its the situation you describe in the above text. this actually happend to me as well, the crowd did not realize that i had nothing to do with the performances there and wanted autographs as well... needless to say i didnt want to give any because i knew they mistaken me for an artist and actually would be quite dissapointed with a "surrender" or "gadi" autograph.... but since they were so eager to get it - i was viewed as a snobbish artist who doesnt want to connect with the crowd and the spirit of trance... infact - the other artists were telling me its better that i sign stuff then not sign and make them angry..... silly situation.... fyi - i signed about 20 shirts that day - all with diffrent names: "brad pitt", "dust in hoffman", "tom cruise" etc 
any mexicans here with ever check their signed shirts to see if along with some big trance names, "tom cruise" also signed their shirt? worth looking into...
anyway back to the point- like i said before its a tricky situation - ego boosting is very nice and sometimes constructive to the artist's progression - but again - when moral compromises are being made, i think it sucks... i hope to think people try to take the other route as often as possible in those cases.
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Lithium
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Posted : Jul 28, 2005 19:49
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On 2005-07-28 19:30, Surrender wrote:
i think u have a good point there mr. Haltya. let me share a funny anecdote from a party in mexico 2 years ago. i happend to be on stage just hanging out listening the music and enjoying the party - the party featured some big names and easily had 5000+ attendants, mostly teens. everytime one of the artists wanted to get off the stage area and go dance or even get water/beer... they were swarmed by a mass of people who wanted autographs on just about anything imaginable. im sure its the situation you describe in the above text. this actually happend to me as well, the crowd did not realize that i had nothing to do with the performances there and wanted autographs as well... needless to say i didnt want to give any because i knew they mistaken me for an artist and actually would be quite dissapointed with a "surrender" or "gadi" autograph.... but since they were so eager to get it - i was viewed as a snobbish artist who doesnt want to connect with the crowd and the spirit of trance... infact - the other artists were telling me its better that i sign stuff then not sign and make them angry..... silly situation.... fyi - i signed about 20 shirts that day - all with diffrent names: "brad pitt", "dust in hoffman", "tom cruise" etc
any mexicans here with ever check their signed shirts to see if along with some big trance names, "tom cruise" also signed their shirt? worth looking into...
anyway back to the point- like i said before its a tricky situation - ego boosting is very nice and sometimes constructive to the artist's progression - but again - when moral compromises are being made, i think it sucks... i hope to think people try to take the other route as often as possible in those cases.
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offthenutboom
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Posted : Jul 28, 2005 21:18
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All great points. I think it has to do with context. If the party resembles a rock concert, with back stage pass, and a separation from the crowd... rock start behavior will happen and it will become a more dehumanizing and idealizing experience for both the audience and the artists.
If the artists are in a 500 freaks party, no separation and where most of the ppl know each other from the core community... then the artists are one more of the friends...
I think this is part of the creation of the perception and idealization of the artists. |
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Surrender
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Posted : Jul 28, 2005 21:53
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jou*
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Posted : Jul 28, 2005 23:17
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On 2005-07-28 19:30, Surrender wrote:
fyi - i signed about 20 shirts that day - all with diffrent names: "brad pitt", "dust in hoffman", "tom cruise" etc
any mexicans here with ever check their signed shirts to see if along with some big trance names, "tom cruise" also signed their shirt? worth looking into...
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oh man! I've been seriously punk'd... i truly thought brad pitt had signed my bra!
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shamanizer
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Posted : Jul 29, 2005 08:28
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Haltya and Surrender, good points. However, Surrender just might have knocked off wings from various rumours in Mexico about Tom Cruise etc. being also an underground trance artist, he belongs to the Church of Scientology and studies Dianetics, now there's a hint already:-). |
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Tatsu
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Posted : Jul 29, 2005 10:16
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On 2005-07-26 21:59, psy^soldier wrote:
but when artist doing music for money and to be big and famous and doing this using the psytrance secne yes i will mock them mock mock mock
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Which leads to the question how do YOU know if people making music you consider as commercial do it for the money or because they like it? I do like some commercial music and I guess some artists also like it and do it because of this and not (or not only) because of the money.
A lot of people in the scene thing (I don't mean you psysoldier since I don't really know you) think that nobody or only stupid people like commercial music and that the psycrowd (at least the part of the crowd that listens to the "right" psy) is so supperior because they have a better taste. Which is quite a small minded point of view imho. |
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Jul 29, 2005 17:55
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well i do listen to commercial music if its good then its good but i guess you didnt understand me
WHEN AN ARTIST USES THE PSYTRANCE SECNE
and there are some artist the doing really bad music imo
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HandA
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Posted : Jul 29, 2005 18:00
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On 2005-07-29 17:55, psy^soldier wrote:
well i do listen to commercial music if its good then its good but i guess you didnt understand me
WHEN AN ARTIST USES THE PSYTRANCE SECNE
and there are some artist the doing really bad music imo
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One little word: Taste
Nothing to do with if they like their own music or if they do it for the money or not. The only ones that know are themself. Not you  |
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psy^soldier
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Posted : Jul 29, 2005 18:02
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actully i wanted to add to my post handA
that its all a matter of tast in the end:] |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Jul 29, 2005 18:09
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I think Tatsu have a point.
Many times commercial music sounds very easy to do, and I know people who figured that "I can make a house tune like that easily" or "anyone can put together a tune that sounds like {insert cheezy pop band here}".
The only ones I know who actualy succeeded to make a radio hit or successful house tune in the end is people who actually like that kind of music.
No matter how easy it can appear to be, you have to be in to it to make anything that other people who like that kind of music will appreciate.
So I can bet that most the successful producers in the more commercial part of this scene actually does enjoy that kind of music themself.
It's more to the commercialism than that of course though that can be problematic. That there is certain styles being in fashion will make a lot of producers adapt and try to make their music to fit in to compilations and DJ sets by conforming to the current fashion.
Maybe not even to make more money many times, but to get recognition for their efforts in some way.
And that obviously hinders their creativity and the development of the scene.
Not to mention the pressure you are under if you have trance music as your only income and the effects that will have on how likely you are to take chances and experiment to keep developing.
I personally like any music that sounds like the person making it is enjoying themself when making it. That can include everything from Britney Spears to really dark and experimental music.
Commercialism can hinder producers from enjoying themself, but so can trying to be unique and difficult as well.
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Aug 5, 2005 09:44
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sometimes its hard to show respect to a "a coked up rockstar" who thinks he is on top of the world.
Money can change people and their attitude for sure.. |
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MooMachine(MOICH)
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Posted : Aug 5, 2005 13:26
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On 2005-07-26 15:46, traveller wrote:
True, some of them started to make money and turned to commercial music making, became "big", but its their right and without any doubt it has also developed the quality of the music.
Well I totally disagree with the quality part..
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say it again!!!
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Posted : Aug 5, 2005 14:16
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Ok, my tuppence worth as a fan.
When I found psy - or rather it found me - I had no idea who any of the artists were. I knew next to nothing about them for years in fact. I just listened to and admired the music with my friend. Indeed, my personal relationship/identification with some of the music was so strong for so long that I don't mind admitting in certain cases, it has left me a little star struck. Much as I don't like the idea of of becoming a swooning groupie, sometimes I just can't help feeling that that's exactly what I am.
However since joining the forums in an effort to become a more active member of the scene myself, I have discovered that there is indeed quite a close relationship between some of these artists and the fans who buy and enjoy the CD's; I think that's an amazing characteristic of the psy scene and I'm grateful to be in a position to be able to read what some of my absolutely favourite musicians have to say on the work they produce. I love that the producer/DJ/fan gap seems much reduced compared with other scenes and I count myself lucky that I've had the oppotunity to 'meet' with some of those whose music I have adored from afar for so long. In fact, in one particular case I've actually discovered some truly fantastic music after striking up a friendship with the artist himself. In another case, I already considered myself a fan before contact was made and I've been able to hear more of his work since with his permission. This is something I don't take for granted.
There are one or two producers who, were I ever to meet them, would still reduce me to a quivering mass of groupie jelly purely because I HAVE had a long-standing relationship with the music first - before joining the forums, before ingratiating myself (in my own small way) on the scene. Maybe it's just me, or maybe it's like someone said in a previous post - that people need icons, or someone to look up to....I couldn't honestly say. But that's the way I feel.
Someone pointed out to me recently that it must be very hard for an artist to keep their ego in check when you have people like me practically worshipping the work they have produced and I think that's a fair comment. If five thousand people told me that my latest track was utterly, fantastically brilliant I'd have great difficulty staying humble in much the same way if five thousand people told me it was shit I'd be pretty crushed. So I hear what everyone says re. the ego thing, but let us not forget that chances are it's us, the fans, who have put these people where they are and for the most part I think they, the artists, do a fairly good job of staying part of the scene, interacting with fans, taking part in the various gathering etc, without all the VIP shit you might find elsewhere. Sure there are one or two who have their heads firmly entrenched up their own backsides (dare I mention the S word here??!!!) but I think for the most part the artists here are as much appreciative of the fans they have as say I am to have them.
Sorry. Another mighty post by floaty. XXX
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Glen.C (Iboga Rec)
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Posted : Aug 5, 2005 17:37
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On 2005-07-27 13:11, Evil Fucker wrote:
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Yes i seen you being also Disrespectful & with an attitude towards artists releases in reviews section with many good reviews simply cause it's not the commercial sound you like !
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Isn't the point of the review section to give your honest views?? It's not a place to only say you like/love/killlaaaah some release, but also to say you don't like something. I've had many a cd I've paid money for only to see that it has 1 or 2 good tracks and the rest are shit!!! So I have a right to say what I think of the CD in the review section... do I not?
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