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Posted : Aug 12, 2009 23:35
^ shouldn't it be for men and women? Welcome to my world where the grass is purple and the sky is pink, Strawberries are blue with white polka dots, And aliens are the BEST Dance partners.
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Posted : Aug 12, 2009 23:58
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On 2009-08-12 14:31, Alakazam wrote:
Okay. This is slightly off-topic, but I will address the issue now.
If you recall, Erick, I met you at ED. I remember you with the tie-die shirt and the bottle of vodka.
And please don't say we should always leave someone at the campsite. If I go to a party where we have to leave a guard at our camp; then that is a problem.
And if you have really been reading my posts, you will see that I am trying to make suggestions in a constuctive manner.
All of the stupid shit you are saying about me being a "hater" as such, is really dumb.
Isn't a forum a place where we can talk about ideas and opinions and try to make things better for everyone?
If you don't recall who I am Erick, check your MySpace friends for Alakazam. And BTW; the coolest people I met there were a group from Minnie!
It was just one bad group that spoiled the party for me. Once you have your shit robbed, it kills the vibe.
This is basically what I was trying to say Alakazam down here...
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The loudest will be addressed first - Alakazam you seem to be very aligned with Orb and while that festival may have been better for you, it was unsafe for your fellow trancers! No amount of bad vibes from fellow festival goers can be worse than the feeling of possibly being injured and not being taken care of (since there was no insurance on the property). The organizers of that festival seemed to be truly just trying to make money at the expense of the people attending.
And the rest of the post aswell just didn't wanna quote the whole thing.
Your response was awesome . I am an optimist so to see only pesimism gets to me sometimes, but to adress it with positive things about the festival was awesome. So bravo to you my psy brother .
Sorry to bring it off topic about ED, I in no way am saying that didn't happen or I don't believe you. Like I said I believe it and that really sucks, my thing would be to connect with trancers where your travelling to to camp with as people normally don't like to fuck with a larger group. To me they'd be more scared to rob someones area when there are several tents set up and the thought of "what if someone wakes up and catches me". Not necessarily to leave a guard sorry about my words.
And yes I remember you from ED, sorry didn't remember the name! I meet so many new people all the time in a foggy state of mind... Much love . Hopefully maybe come up to ED this yr and have a better experience in the midwest.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 00:03
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^ shouldn't it be for men and women?
No I do, I was speaking in jest in reference to madpsyintist calling me out for liking dudes. I DJ for everyone... and anyone.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 00:34
I was camped between 2 nitrous tanks, of which balloons popped 1 out of every 5, fireworks 5 feet from my tent, a bunch of trash, a person that fell into my tent and broke the pole, and someone that almost drove into our tent while we were in there, luckily our friend was out there and directed them away from our tent. I felt scared for my life while I was just trying to get some sleep. Oh and Rolls, anyone? People just about coming into my tent to try and push their drugs on me. Usually at festivals I meet some new people, many that become friends for life, this is the first one I didn't. I started to ignore every person that came near me, just waiting for them to try and push something on me because if I waited a minute that was what happened.
If only I had camped near those porta potties on the hill with the gorgeous view, next to my friends... I think I would have had a much better experience, but my camp was already setup by the time I was able to get there.
Why was there a renegade stage? I don't think the music ever stopped there, but it was stopped at the desi stage which was originally part of the festival? The artists, including myself that didn't get to play at the desi stage should have at least played at the renegade stage...
workshops anyone?
The music was the best part for me. I didn't get to check out as much as I would have liked, but I really enjoyed Ajja, caught the end of Cosmosis, and wish I saw more because he was putting on quite the show! I like Infected Mushroom's set because I like their old stuff and I thought they mixed it well with some of their newer stuff, it wasn't overally cheesy. I liked Onkel Dunkel, and was happy to catch him since the schedule was running late, because otherwise I would have still been asleep. Luis was great, was happy to catch him instead of Crystal Method before going off to bed.
PsyLab were really good, Dave & Lauryn were good, but yeah the desi stage had thorns all over it, so if you didn't have sneakers on it really hurt to dance there. I couldn't leave until Fri afternoon and missed everything before Fri night, a lot of which I would have liked to have seen, including my husband, but hey so is life..
Cliff's practically nonstop 3 day visuals were SICK! The super large hula hoop was tons of FUN! Getting to see my psy friends and spending time dancing with them was also a highlight. The First Aid folks were awesome, very knowledgeable and prepared! Thank you Nurse Bob:)
I appreciate the hard work of the promoters (they meant well with their intentions for the festival I am sure, and it could work with some very minor and major changes.) Thank you to all the volunteers and to the people that helped pick up trash.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 01:12
Hello community,
we just got back home desperately needing sleep.
Based on the feedback and objective analysis of this experiment, a response will be posted shortly.
While all feedback is certainly considered, active and constructive involvement is most encouraged.
Please remember - you are invited to take active initiative in shaping the future of this endeavor.
Thanks for your passion,
Rata.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 03:45
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On 2009-08-12 18:02, billy boogie wrote:
and yes I do like girls, but that's not why I DJ. Strictly for the music man. If I was DJing for the girls, I would have quit 9 years ago.
Typo, I DJ strictly for the music + MEN. sorry.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 04:37
This festival was a learning experience for all of us. For the ravers, trancer's, Junior rainbow mafia, Grateful dead Fam, film makers, Organizers, new ager's, burners, artists, capitalists, Bonethugs in harmony, anarchists and European mass murder cultists.
It's actually quite remarkable that we (meaning all of us) pulled this off, between last minute location changes, extreme temperatures, uneasy neighbors, general confusion and disorder. Its a testament to our commitment to this thing that we still stuck with it, believing in it.
This truly was an experiment, How do we unify all of these groups of people?
What elements were successful?
I poured a lot of love and work into the little art installation next to the hookah lounge. I have mixed feelings about what kind of an environment I helped shape. On one hand I felt like I was contributed the craft and skills I have to expand the context of the festival. On the other hand I felt that the high ticket prices excluded many. The specificity of the genres and music represented left something to be desired. I brought a bunch of kids that had never been to a festival or even heard trance, and needless to say they were shocked, frightened, amused and exhausted.
Infected mushroom's set I think really unified the party, for a minute there it really clicked, it felt like all the tribes were letting loose and dancing together. unfortunately simultaneously I witnessed a lot of suffering, due to drugs and the intense climate. Hearing the scream of a woman terrified through the woods is deeply unsettling. Knowing that people around you are having difficult psychedelic experiences and there was not adequate respect or care taken in dealing with these situations is embarrassing and disgusting. Ultimately certain irreconcilable difference eventually split my camp, as people had seen enough and decided to head home early.
Things really got good on Saturday night and Sunday, It felt like the staff got the hang of it and the vibes really picked up, lots of positivity was present. I loved the strange ice cream truck and the Klezmer music.
I walk away from this experienced changed. My biggest recommendation is that there is a way bigger psychedelic world outside of the jamband/rave/trance scenes, and if you want to be diverse we should explore that. Afro-beat music, real reggae, real hip hop, real psychedelic rock and pop bands, look at Glastonbury.
I think the concept of a music festival is kinda weak. Its gotta more, 24 hour music for four days just doesn't do it for me, maybe I'm old, I'm only 22 but still, I would rather have 8 solid hours of incredible music than 24 mediocre ones.
I mean, don't get me wrong there were exceptional musicians @ this, transdriver is a favorite or mine and Yab Yum is excellent.
Gaian mind was for me the best festival I've ever been too and that's why I stuck around I guess, but you know what made that great. It's always been more than music, actual workshops, actual activities like sweat lodges, healing areas that feel real and well intentioned. Successful lecture series, meaningful discussion groups on the environment and consciousness. I didn't go this year and I don't know if it holds up with out the wonderful 4Q space. I long for that relatively low volume and well tuned sound system, that incredible first night with out amplified music the never ending drum circle.
There's a lot more to this story but it takes time to process.
I am really glad to have a voice and ears, and more glad that the desiderata people respect that.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 14:47
^ Interesting, informative post.
If I may pry, why did part of your group leave? Too much hostility? Too raw? Too much paranoia?
My group left orb early for a number of reasons and just curious if your groups experience was similar to ours.
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This festival was full of hopes and promises, but nothing good really happened.
Charging $5 Milwaukee beer? It’s disrespectful
What happened to the sound? The big system was off most of the festival and only the monitors were playing.
In the original announcement they said that the door price will be $120, then on the website they said 140, and when I got there after driving 8 hours I paid $150.
No shuttle bus not that I care, I have a car but no swimming?
Decoration? Where was the deco?
What about the other bluff “focusing on the workshops and taking it very seriously”? For some reason I couldn’t find any workshops except for pinchback.
They had a smooth advertisement but nothing was delivered as promised. This organizers proving to be a falls advertiser!!!
The flow of the music was disaster especially for psy experience, psy trance is about respect, love and unity and it was far from being the case in this festival.
They should have made a trance stage and “everything else stage”. Even for multi genre fest the selection of the bands and the order was distasteful, hip hop on the main stage?
The psy trance crowd was a minority at desirata and I feel bad for us that we had to suffer such an experience. This organization should go do their homework and not just think about making money. I don’t know if they made any or not, but it's clear that this was they intention, other wise why they try to mix all this crowds together? YBB&TDC you refer you selves as psytrance lovers but it's a shame to experience this outdoors event that you put together. it's clear what your intentions were, you guys shouldn’t have promoted this festival on the trance forums and not to the trance community, some people I know had a VERY BAD TRIPS.
If I wanted to go to a multi genre festival then Camp Bisco is the one with real talented diversity, good production, and on top of that some of the most amazing psychedelic acts and chill acts on the scene. Not like that low grade music that attracted some of the most disrespectful immature unpleasant KIDS I’ve seen in a long time. alkazam is right in every word he says. This is definitely not developing the trance community in the usa, it's destroying it.
You fooled us once but you won’t fool us again, there will not be a second time
Its looks like this thread has been hijacked by a desirata crew that posts only positive comments about they own production, I know many from our community that have mouth full of complains but every time that some user complaining, some of the fake users or they crew pointing Orb fest, like its got to do with each other. Stop comparing Orb Festival to Desirata Festival. I attended both festivals, this festival was multi genre ametures festival and Orb was psytrance festival with deco and people that came to share and to love, not to trash and to hate. Not everything was perfect in orb but your festival is to far compare.
Bottom line is being truthful and honest with yourselves and with the community that we all love. Stop using the trance community, stop to manipulate and destroy. If you guys (YBB&TDC) are not in it for the love of psytrance then do us and yourselves a favor and quit or don’t promote you multi revers events to our community.
IN TRANCE WE TRUST
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 17:52
There are comparisons to Orb for tons of reasons: big psytrance artists that are going to attract the same types of psy people, location is within one hour of both festivals after the location change, and within the same time frame. Comparisons are inevitable.
People get really sketched and paranoid on these boards.... There are no plants by desiderata any more than you or Alakazam could be considered plants by Aladdin. People have vastly different experiences based on what happens.
I don't think anyone on this board was happy with St8cyde REPPIN IT HARD and TEARIN SHIT UP. It was an interesting experiment which didn't quite work the way they planned I'd say.
There were negatives but for me and most people I know that attended this festival and Orb and Gaian (same pool of people would probably attend all three based on distance and the lineups) this one fell somewhere between Orb and Gaian in terms of overall comfort and decency.
Festivals are largely what you make them, and this was no exception.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 17:59
I want to say BIG THANKS to the organizers - I can see that they have done the best they could and they have done it for US, and they have done a great job. Yes there were a few 'imperfections' but as my one my friend has noted, these are rather 'misunderstandings'.
I agree that rave scene did not mix perfectly with trance scene but come on, look at the broader picture and at the major purpose of why were we here. If you concentrate on the negative this is what you get. And btw - I saw that some of those ravers got interested in trance - they were asking me who was playing and they liked it. I think this was great.
Regarding organization - I feel somewhat sorry for the neighbors and I think this should be addressed. Also the lack of showers and normal bathrooms kind of sucked. And also please next time post a careful timeline of workshops/speakers etc. It must be disappointing for the workshop leads to come all the way to learn that their event is not announced anywhere.
And lastly I want to thank once again for the best music experience that I had this year so far! Starting with Trancedriver in the morning and all the way to the end it was superb. I had a really great time <3 <3 <3
>>>Are you present now?
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 18:08
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At the door tickets will be available for 120$.
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overall comfort and decency.
150 at the door is very decent, its false advertisement and day light robbery.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 18:29
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On 2009-08-13 16:46, intrancewetrust wrote:
If I wanted to go to a multi genre festival then Camp Bisco is the one with real talented diversity, good production, and on top of that some of the most amazing psychedelic acts and chill acts on the scene. Not like that low grade music that attracted some of the most disrespectful immature unpleasant KIDS I’ve seen in a long time.
A lot of people who performed @ this festival took a lot of time and effort to prepare for this gig, including myself, so please don't make a blanket statement like that. Some acts could have went smoother, and some acts completely tore the place up. I have nothing to do with the organizers, just a DJ. Also, you have two posts.... How do we know you're a real user?
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I am very real trust me
Your effort to prepare for this show is totally appreciated and you did a great job,
Big respect to all the psy act that was there they save me from going insane,
But it was totally shameful that I had to hear them with 10% of the sound that was there.
I convinced some of my non trancers friends to come with me and enjoy psy trance festival and after this weekend they don’t want to hear about psytrance any more.
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Posted : Aug 13, 2009 18:56
Constructive, Music related Criticism Alert:
I LOVE when a party is set up so that it starts out slow and prog, ramps up to full-on, then gets upwards of 150 bpm with driving, dark (without the screaming/crying samples they're really not necessary) for 1 or 2 djs then when the sun rises its eases back into full-on and prog. By the end of the night you have a nice even balance and no one is left unhappy.
To me, this festival had such an overwhelming dark psy feel. I know this forum has a lot of people who like dark, driving psy so they're probably going to tell me to shut it but this is just my humble opinion. I am basing this on a lot of the complaints I read about GMSF with there being too much full on this year but in the end I thought there was a fantastic balance. By my count (and this could be because I only camped next to the main stage and missed most of the second stage artists besides EgBot & Lauryn.) there were only two full on DJs (Billy Boogie and Rafael who I missed, though I could be wrong please correct me) Billy spun on Thurs and Rafael on Sunday so in between all I heard was endless 150+ bpm. I camped next to the main stage but in such a way that I could really only hear the Basslines so by Sunday It drove me near insane to hear nonstop pounding (Also, imho the main stage was flat out too loud and painful for me) so in that sense, I feel for the neighbors.
All that said, the dark artists I saw were awesome and world-class talent but in the future a little more balance would be fantastic. It may have appealed more to the non-psy crowd as well.
Finally, there should always, always, always be a downtempo stage (i.e. a REFUGE). It prevents all those bad trips from happening.
All in all I think a good model for next year at the new venue (one with REAL bathrooms and less neighbors) would be a dedicated Psy stage, a downtempo/jam stage and a dedicated St8cyde Jump up stage with 24 hr sound. WOOOOOOOOOT!
