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DEATH BY SAMPLES!
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----Dawn----
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 21:17
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If there is one thing that annoys me about psy - and electronic music in general - it's the use of annoying or repetitive samples, particularly vocal samples.
I'm not against the use of vocal samples. They can work really well if used conservatively and intelligently - perhaps in an intro, in a break, before a big kick or even used to create a 'musical-effect' - but to just throw them in almost at random or to repeat the same sample over and over again, every few seconds for about 7 or 8 minutes is not only incredibly annoying but also sounds extremely amateurish.
It really pisses me off when i listen to an album that is musically very good but has been totally ruined (imo) by badly used samples. Sometimes it almost seems like the artist has thought 'ok, this track is sounding great... now all it needs is a shit-load of cheesy and pointless samples plastered all over it'.
Take the recent Meller album 'Rockable'. An album which seems to have been initially created by talented musicians but then passed on to the 'Fatboy Slim sample-pasting school for the educationally subnormal' for the technical process of 'final fuck-up-ing' 
This is just one example but i'm starting to loose count of the amount of albums i have heard in the past year or so that to some extent seem to follow this ethos. A few other recent examples that come to mind are albums by the likes of Space Monkey and Smuhg.
I want to make it clear that i am not doubting the talent or musical ability of these artists. In fact another example of this kind of sample laxative is Triptych's 'Electrology' and i am a huge fan of this very talented guy's earlier stuff. I just can't understand why these musicians think that pulling samples from films, tv shows or even their own really bad singing  and then vomiting them over their music makes it sound better!
If you are a musician that makes extensive use of vocal samples (especially one of those named above) can you please explain what you are trying to achieve.
Ok, that's my rant over - now bitch-slap me with reason and fact me 'till i fart
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Jingabé
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 22:43
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No need to slap you. Reason is on your side. 
I have to agree with on on this. Some tracks are just ruined by overuse of samples. One example I might add, is the Sonify track on Tribal Vision's "Street Art". But hey, that's just my opinion.
As for the facts, well I spare you on these. Don't want you to fart all over the forum 
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Nobita
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 22:48
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I really enjoy the use of repetitive samples in Meller's 'Rockable'. So the issue here is taste yet again.
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Krell
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 22:50
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HEhe, your not alone - I dislike most repeating samples as well, for me its usually just bad taste - though, there are always exceptions to the rule.
However, I think some might actually think it sounds cool - Just like much of the Electro House / Trance stuff I dont like, because it sounds old and amateurish to my ears (even though I very well know this is not the case, this is the effect it has one me nonetheless).
What to do ? Listen to other stuff and hope there are more of us who feel like this (especially the ones producing music)
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Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 12, 2006 23:25
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my point of view!
If a piece of music asks for repeating samples then im not the one to argue..
its all about the artists feeling for/of the track, sometimes an artist can lose the feeling for the track and make
unemotional decisions... im not defending artists in general, im just saying that this can happen, but my believe is that in most cases its just a trendy thing and the artists has no real goal with the track...
anyway
unemotional decisions can be good when buying a car or choosing a bike, so you dont buy it depending on color or something like that.... |
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s0ft
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Posted : Jan 13, 2006 04:34
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On 2006-01-12 21:17, ----Dawn---- wrote:
...then passed on to the 'Fatboy Slim sample-pasting school for the educationally subnormal' for the technical process of 'final fuck-up-ing'
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i have nothing constructive to say, but that was really funny.
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Jan 13, 2006 17:18
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Personally, i feel the only samples that shud be used are chants and prayers. And that too, not in tracks, but sorta dropped in by dj's while playin their sets. Maybe as an intro, than u play like 8 tracks and conclude with a a really powerful one, and again an intro with a soft chant. Nice to break it up.
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jan 13, 2006 17:39
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On 2006-01-13 17:18, *Karma Cola* wrote:
Personally, i feel the only samples that shud be used are chants and prayers. And that too, not in tracks, but sorta dropped in by dj's while playin their sets. Maybe as an intro, than u play like 8 tracks and conclude with a a really powerful one, and again an intro with a soft chant. Nice to break it up.
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Question of taste, but I hate chants and prayers, so please don't listen to above posting artists!!
Anyway, sampling can be overdone, I agree. What bothers me the most however, is the lack of inspiration that some artists have. They seem to be caning old samples again and again, as if there aren't thousands of other samples to be used besides those. Maybe they think it is cool to use those samples, because everyone seems to. Newsflash: using samples that no one uses increases your distinctiveness artists!! For example: Meller's new stuff might be annoying at times, but you can't say they're unoriginal in their sample usage.
To the point of repeating those samples over and over I can only agree with Dawn. Just quit it. A sample now and again can enrich the music, but when it's overdone, or it's a tired old sample everyone uses, the music loses appeal as well.
That's probably why I like ambient so much, pure ambient like Liquid Morphine, Brian Eno, Stephen Philips, Robert Rich, Lustmord etc. is not the kind of music that uses samples much. The synths make the music, as it should be. Music should be made by instruments and not by samplers.
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 13, 2006 20:55
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On 2006-01-13 17:39, Acidhive wrote:
That's probably why I like ambient so much, pure ambient like Liquid Morphine, Brian Eno, Stephen Philips, Robert Rich, Lustmord etc. is not the kind of music that uses samples much. The synths make the music, as it should be. Music should be made by instruments and not by samplers.
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I think you are wrong. I am pretty much sure Eno used samplers a LOT.
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headyatail2000
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Posted : Jan 13, 2006 23:02
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the worst samplee i have heard was ..
X wave vs pTx - crazy life
frm x men
wat r u doin here?
y do u ask Q to which u already know the answers
eeeeeeeeeeegggggghhhhh
nice track though!
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Acidhive
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Posted : Jan 14, 2006 03:23
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On 2006-01-13 17:39, Acidhive wrote:
That's probably why I like ambient so much, pure ambient like Liquid Morphine, Brian Eno, Stephen Philips, Robert Rich, Lustmord etc. is not the kind of music that uses samples much. The synths make the music, as it should be. Music should be made by instruments and not by samplers.
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I think you are wrong. I am pretty much sure Eno used samplers a LOT.
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Pfff... Who cares as long as you don't hear it. You didn't hear Eno cane samples like: pulsing and tingling sensations again and again, now did you?
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*Karma Cola*
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Posted : Jan 14, 2006 05:35
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I like stuff like *Ohm* & prayer pieces which have been used by Shulman (elements, Small grey creatures).
In comparison OTT has used some eastern vocals brilliantly as well (Splitting an Atom).
Also, those squiggly things that Simon does to vocals is also good. (Trancepotter, Long Long Arms, Linguistic mystic, Periscopes of Consciousness)
And i quite liked Eskimo - Party pooper the first time i heard it. The part in the middle is funny.
But in most cases i hear some samples that are just annoying and ruin good tracks. eg ( Xerox/Illumination - Nightshift rmx)
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Aluxe
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Posted : Jan 14, 2006 10:17
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The one I really don't like is that fatboy track sample "I am the great big rock boy.." from M. Rockable. I love the rinkadink remix but the sample just sounds kind of lame to me, particularly the words.
Also I don't like when they use samples from comercial movies, I feel it can spoil the magic of a psychedelic track. And plus why choose a popular movie that everyone has seen, when you as a groovy person have the gift to choose things which the masses dismiss. I preffer to hear samples from the real world, like a scream from a real party person or just normal people speaking their mind sincerely in an interesting way, not just the famous.
I recently went to the maya jungle and I took a minidisk with a mic and recorded some indigenous people speaking in several different native languages. I asked them to say something soulful about protecting the precious rainforest and caring about nature. Well I just began trying to make music and want to go back and show them my songs with their samples to see if it will create an impact for them to protect the rainforest.
Also I understand that English is the choosen world language, but I sometimes get tired of hearing everything always in English when there are so many other beautiful languages all over the world which can make a track sexy and interesting. Plus maybe the tracks can have samples of things local people can relate to so that they feel closer and get an interest in the psy trance music.
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 14, 2006 10:37
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Yes very bad is this sample that is in every track on th 4/4 beat, this boom boom boom boom
really anyoning
lol
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Pavel
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Posted : Jan 14, 2006 11:34
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On 2006-01-13 17:39, Acidhive wrote:
That's probably why I like ambient so much, pure ambient like Liquid Morphine, Brian Eno, Stephen Philips, Robert Rich, Lustmord etc. is not the kind of music that uses samples much. The synths make the music, as it should be. Music should be made by instruments and not by samplers.
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I think you are wrong. I am pretty much sure Eno used samplers a LOT.
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Pfff... Who cares as long as you don't hear it. You didn't hear Eno cane samples like: pulsing and tingling sensations again and again, now did you?
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Of course you hear it. The question is what do you call annoying sample? People sample guitar, pianos and whatever and play them back through sampler for ages. Some people sample voices and make whole tracks from them (The last Bjork album)
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