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DEATH BY SAMPLES!

Run Lola
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jan 14, 2006 16:25
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On 2006-01-12 21:17, ----Dawn---- wrote:
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If you are a musician that makes extensive use of vocal samples (especially one of those named above) can you please explain what you are trying to achieve.





and if u are a producing a track can you please NOT use this sample:
"now everybody on the dancefloor"
          baddeh ekol knefeh!
Katja

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Posted : Jan 14, 2006 16:41
I actually like Meller's Fatboy, and partly because of that sample. I think samples make every track more special. But it's my opinion.
----Dawn----
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 22:08
Thanks for all the comments. It's good to see that others feel the same about this.

I suppose it is to some extent a matter of taste but i think i speak for the majority when i say that samples can sometimes totally murder an otherwise great album. It's just a shame that so many of the people who actually make the music don't seem to be part of the same mindset.

I am surprised that no artists have commented... which was kinda the whole point of this topic.

Come on you dark blue guys – what is your opinion?
          Am i the only one who believes in solipsism?
Freeflow
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Posted : Jan 17, 2006 23:12
----Dawn----

i see here alot of artists that has given their opinion...
cavedave
Troglodytes

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Posted : Jan 19, 2006 22:13
i think its kinda boring with suggestions in a track, but ive uset it myself on many tracks... =) such as saying with a quote from a movie that spirits are among us, or that aliens are in your head or lsd is the cure for cancer, whatever. Laughter though is effective...

i think one tries to "channel" people in to ones intention making the track... at least i try to use vocals in such a way that it fita in the track as an instrument, not as a singer or rapper/shouter...

and im reeeeealy tired of high pitch woman singing in chilltracks,,,,opera sucks. everybody ripped the same sample-cd maybee... what about sounding like Björk or someone with a special voice..

peace!           rulla runt bland mjuka kuddar
----Dawn----
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 00:26
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On 2006-01-17 23:12, New Era Scientist wrote:
----Dawn----

i see here alot of artists that has given their opinion...




There are many people on this site who create their own music but either don't present themselves as artists, haven't had music released or just post under an unrelated name. By artists i was referring to users who choose to register as an 'artist' and publicly represent their music.

What i meant was that most of the comments so far are from the listener's point of view and i thought it would also be interesting to hear from artists themselves as to why they use samples on their music - especially if they use them in the kind of way that i have spoken about negatively.

I think out of all the ways samples are used, it's the repeated single sample that really annoys me the most. Take another example... the other day i listened to Ten Madison's 'Trouble in Rio' - musically good but on many of the tracks there are samples which are used over and over again. I'm not sure what the guy was trying to achieve but whatever the aim was, for me personally, all he managed to do is irritate the shit out of me and turn what would otherwise be a pretty good chill album into something that is destined to gather dust on some metaphorical shelf... and also put me off listening to Juergens' stuff in future.

Yes, it is a matter of taste but it is a taste shared by a lot of people and something that can instantly (and unnecessarily) turn good music into something which at it's best is annoying and at it's worst, totally unlistenable.

Btw, i hate opera too... but that really is just a matter of personal taste. Still, i suppose you can't beat the classics.

'Kill the wabbit, kill the wabbit!'
          Am i the only one who believes in solipsism?
Mr.Hanky
Ace Ventura

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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 12:58
Psytrance(and many other genres of dance music)is instrumental music.
Now,i know like some of u wrote,the SYNTHS are the ones who suppose to do the job,but sometimes,an instrumental track,no matter how catchy or musically reach it is ,can go do different places with a few words or vocals inside it.

Sometimes i feel the the only thing missing from a certain track is a sample...something to distinguish the track from others.Call it a gimmick or whatever u wanna call it,it just works,imho.
How u manipulate it in the track is a different story....

i dont know the meller track but i can imagine how something like that might be annoying to some.
Also the opera or chants samples - it can fit great in some tracks,or sound totally lame in others.Back in the 90's most samples were about Aliens and such,and it worked...there's something "mystical" ,ritualistic or paranormal about this music and thats why these samples did a good job.
In 2006 however these kind of samples sound quite ridiculous to me(although for someone who hears it for the 1st time i guess they are still cool).

To sum it up,samples can add a whole lot to a track,even if theyre only a few words.The range of effects and manipulation u can do with it is endless.
u just have to pull it off right....
Pt.
IsraTrance Senior Member

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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 13:26
One cleaver/good/ect. sample in a track can make a HUGE difference while on a trip. You know what I mean.
Si B
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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 14:31
I can understand all of the points you have all come up with for this argument. Often it is a moment of taste. Often it depends on your chemically induced state of mind... music that sounds great in a forest in the summer will sound totally shite after work in your living room.

Saying that only synths should write the music is a bit naive I'm afraid. Samplers have made electronic music what it is today. Using them for repetetively triggering a crap vocal is of course completely criminal. Off the top of my head, the worst sample I can think of is that GOd awful Dino Psaras telephone answering machine track...

You can really tell when someone has finished a track with no purpose in mind and then machine gunned it full of samples... it sounds disjointed, a bit random and rather soulless.

Take for example... Infected Mushroom... the demise of these once great artists... you can see it from the samples.. "I'm the supervisor, have you got a taxi number?" What a load of self indulgent SHITE. yeah guys, that really makes you think. The early Inf.Mush albums had poignant, well placed, relevent samples that were related to the mindstates of trancers all over the planet. Only they can relate to the Supervisor. Its narrow, self centered and shallow. Rather like their music. (Forget the Twisted factor here, I was as big a fan of Inf.Mush as i was of Twisted but only Twisted have stayed true to the cause.

Every sample in a Posford/Vaughn track sounds like the tune has been written around it. They have taken a meaningful sample and written a tune around it. A sample that will push a button igniting a productive train of thought at the critical moment. (have u got a taxi number? errrmmmm what?)

Samples are amazing when used at the right moment... "Get ready space-cadets! Prepare to hurtle through the cosmos!". Obviously times are changing and we need to push the boundaries and try different things but never forget where we come from and what works.

rant over...
----Dawn----
IsraTrance Junior Member

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Posted : Jan 20, 2006 20:50
Thanks again for the replies. I really appreciate your comments on this and have to admit i agree with most of the stuff that has been said... especially the bit about Infected Mushroom.

Out of all the otherwise very talented artists i can think of, IM have to be the biggest offenders of this kind of sample-based atrocity. A perfect example (imo) of samples spoiling a great track has to be their 'Deeply Disturbed' - one of the best pieces of music they have ever created, excellent melody... so obviously all it needed was some guy shouting and screaming over the top of it! Silly sods!

While i can understand that artistically it may have seemed a good idea, i also think that sometimes you can only push the 'artistic' envelope so far before you qualify for a damn good slapping!

Like i said in the original post - i am not against the use of vocal samples. They can work great if used well - and while the definition of 'used well' will differ from person to person, a bit of common sense wouldn't go a miss.

For me, samples work best when used in breaks. You may get a build... everything goes quiet... you get the sample... then comes the kick. To be honest i don't even think it has to be a particularly good sample. Take for example the Gollum sample in Benza's 'The Ascension of Smeagol' - that sample is both cheesy and has been used to death - but still it works brilliantly. Another good example by Benza (and off the same album) is ‘Captain Senior Mouse’ – again, it works great! I think that sometimes it's almost like a conditional thing... like saying 'this is it - this is the good bit!'. Like the bell to Pavlov's dog.

As always, though – this is just my opinion and you are sure to have your own. Feel free to share it.

Peace and stuff!
          Am i the only one who believes in solipsism?
mquirk1
IsraTrance Full Member

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Posted : Jan 21, 2006 09:42
Like anything.. samples can be good or bad. They can be great like the beginning of LSD, or some of the old infected ones like "my prince is dead.. " etc or the "i'm not afraid any longer mummy", just cos they fit the mood of the tracks so well. But I'm getting really sick of canned middle eastern singing samples turning up in like full on tracks, for example, as much as I love the track "long long arms" (and the main voice sample is awesome), that little bit of middle eastern singing that turns up about halfway through is a little cringe worthy for me, just seems kind of tacked on.

Possibly the worst sample I've ever heard is from some Dark Nebula track, when the sample "is my voice annoying?" from Postal 2 said by some guy with a reeeally annoying voice repeats for like half the track.

Edit - Tie for worst sample goes to tikal, "do you like the bass? it's filtered" er....

Oh, and I think the sample in IM the supervisor works really well in it's context.
----Dawn----
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Posted : Mar 28, 2006 23:07
...And they keep on coming...

Future Prophecy - Body Shaker

Another musically good album with most of the tracks completely ruined by shitty vocals.

Congratulations! Must be very proud!
          Am i the only one who believes in solipsism?
Get-a-fix
Getafix

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Posted : Mar 28, 2006 23:51
I have to admit samples used unimaginatively throughtout a track can be annoying, but like Ace Ventura pointed out when used wisely they can make a track stand out..For example, i've been to plenty of parties where i hear a song that i've never heard before and really like..If there's a good sample in there it sticks in your head & then you can ask people which song it was (rather than saying you know the one that went boom daga daga boom)..

As far as the IM the supervisor is concerned..once i saw their interview & heard the story behind how they came up with that sample i found it rather amusing!           http://www.soundcloud.com/getafixmusic
werlin


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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 05:04
the dislike maybe coming from your attatchment to the meanings....dont try to understand it try to enjoy it. dont think of a dictionary, listen to it as musical notes...

ok those batman scream in electrology sound really bad but to this date I didnt disliked any other vocal...
look at "oracle" by shiva-joerg. full with vocals and it still rules (at least for me)
Basilisk
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Posted : Mar 29, 2006 15:47
Instant disqualifications:
Matrix sample
"Nows the fucking time!" Kill Bill speech
self-referential sample (i.e. speaking the name of the act in a track)
"the hunt" speech (ever heard of subtlety)
Neelix
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