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Hello i am new here i have few questions about darkpsytrance and maybe psycore. how can a typical song structure look like? i know ther should be kick bass and hihats,maybe claps.
and some kind of darkatmospheric baground with noisy rythmic leads. Yes I'm noob But I am very interested in darkpsytrance and would like to make some great songs. i have fl studio 11 and a lot of good vst like alien 303,albino3 with some psybanks,vanguard,surge,etc. There are only short tutorials on how to make the bassline.
Good darkpsy. In my ears is psykovsky,kindzadsa,fungusfunk,furious.russians I also know a lot of people dont use fl they use cubase,abelton,and logic but i know it is possible to make good darkpsy on fl studio i have used fl a couple of yers and tis is a tune i haved try to make https://soundcloud.com/psylozon/wild-tunes yeh it sounds horrible not darkpsy at all, because of my bad knowledge. Should i make a darkpsy song in one project with patterns or make it in diffrent parts and put it together? And please where can i find the tsabeat kicks all links to them on this forum is dead. And how is the trippy nopisy effects really made those you can hear in psykovsky,kindzadza are they sample tweaks? Any help, tip, tsabeatkicksamples would be very kind and thankful of you and sorry for bad language because english is not my first language
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On 2013-12-03 15:55:51, Realityvampire wrote:
Hello i am new here i have few questions about darkpsytrance and maybe psycore. how can a typical song structure look like? i know ther should be kick bass and hihats,maybe claps.
and some kind of darkatmospheric baground with noisy rythmic leads. Yes I'm noob But I am very interested in darkpsytrance and would like to make some great songs. i have fl studio 11 and a lot of good vst like alien 303,albino3 with some psybanks,vanguard,surge,etc. There are only short tutorials on how to make the bassline.
Good darkpsy. In my ears is psykovsky,kindzadsa,fungusfunk,furious.russians I also know a lot of people dont use fl they use cubase,abelton,and logic but i know it is possible to make good darkpsy on fl studio i have used fl a couple of yers and tis is a tune i haved try to make https://soundcloud.com/psylozon/wild-tunes yeh it sounds horrible not darkpsy at all, because of my bad knowledge. Should i make a darkpsy song in one project with patterns or make it in diffrent parts and put it together? And please where can i find the tsabeat kicks all links to them on this forum is dead. And how is the trippy nopisy effects really made those you can hear in psykovsky,kindzadza are they sample tweaks? Any help, tip, tsabeatkicksamples would be very kind and thankful of you and sorry for bad language because english is not my first language
Welcome on board
The first question you asked, about structure. Best way to approach that is maybe picking a song you like by one of the artists you mention - one that isn't to complicated! - and place it in your DAW. Then listen to it, find where the different parts start and stop and cut them, name them and colour code them to be easier to see.
Then try to reproduce not the song, but how it's put together, meaning: when a new element is introduced, when it breaks, so forth and so on. This will give you a good general idea of how tracks are put together in terms of time and the arrangement of the different elements of a track.
Then, focus on learning synthesis! You'll never get anywhere with presets. It takes knowing what each component on the instrument is doing, so you can take full advantage of it and your creativity!
About drums: there's no difference from dark and high tech to the other genres in terms of the elements used. It's mostly kick, snare, claps, closed hats, hi-hats, rides and cymbals... Take a look on this forum, bet there's a lot of information about that flying around. I'd say get decent sounding elements and focus on the arrangement of them for now, then start to polish stuff out as you're learning along.
The noises you ask about are most likely just FM leads of all sorts. There's also plenty of info about that in here! But you should start with simpler subtractive synthesis and take it from there! No shortcuts dude! And it's plenty of fun once you start knowing what you're doing! Take your time and don't forget to have fun along the way!
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As a dark producer can tell that there no only one way to create Dark (Same as any style) .
When you write or think 'I want to be like psykovsky or kindzadza' Or When you
wrote 'Tsabeatkicksamples' Well , This is already un serious (An broken thought) .
Your music should be come from inside of you (With an new fresh idea's) ..
And not from other artist's old folders. (Step 1) .
There no shortcut's !
Time and practice ..
Good luck ! .
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Posted : Dec 3, 2013 23:18
you do need to feel the music from the heart and know what you want to make, and it will take time and practice Cardinals Cartel, but you cant just but you cant just make a good track using only that, you also need to know how to make it and the best way to do that is look at other peoples work with similer style, not copy, but learn from there music.
my advice would be the same as frisbeehead, study other artists tracks. good luck
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I dont think there's a typical song structure in darkpsy..
Trance music is about rythm and flow, the "dark" elements are made from many sources, synths, samples, hardware..
Don't try to get a special formula, just imagine what you would like to do and you'll need to fail on it enough times utill you can achieve it.
Takes a loooong time..
And more important think, inovate dont imitate!
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thanks for the help. will now try to figure out how to make dark fm leads into FM8
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And more important think, inovate dont imitate!
It has been said a million times, but imitation is necesarry to learn.
So: imitate than innovate.
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To me for dark trance and for trance in general I had to first learn the rules of production, then I had to learn how to implement the rules, and then all of a sudden I could actually break them, and that was when people started telling me that my sound is nice...
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thanks for the help. will now try to figure out how to make dark fm leads into FM8
if you pick Albino (you mentioned you have it, right?), it's more then enough for starters m8. just one carrier and one modulator will get you far - plus it's easier to work with a more common filter section. you'll be amazed at how much you can get out of it. think it's a good instrument to learn your synthesis ninja skills with.
FM8 is of course a great instrument, but perhaps a little to deep for starters.
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On 2013-12-04 09:30, Realityvampire wrote:
thanks for the help. will now try to figure out how to make dark fm leads into FM8
if you pick Albino (you mentioned you have it, right?), it's more then enough for
starters m8. just one carrier and one modulator will get you far - plus it's easier to work with a more common filter section. you'll be amazed at how much you can get out of it. think it's a good instrument to learn your synthesis ninja skills with.
FM8 is of course a great instrument, but perhaps a little to deep for starters.
Yes i have albino and also nice psybanks to it and also renegade with a lot of nice psy sounds. I have also created a very good bassline with hats. But the hard thing for me is the riff i dont exactly now how to create fm lead riffs and everythings sounds horrible with riffmachine i dont why there even is something like that. I was intrested in fm8 because this sound is really something i whould like to have
but i am not able to make it lol I'm so desperate at this lead so I would almost pay to get patches I feel stupid because I have been sitting for years with fl studio and never could never have created anything other than bass lines and dark atmospheric backgrounds. another thing is still do not understand ice When and how is the right time to change a bassline. whith that i mean change it in pattern or in mixer.
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If your trying to make FM leads like that in FL, use the sytrus. Its actually pretty easy to get these weird lead sounds out of it once you understand how it works. Also FLs arpegiator that is built into the step sequencer is your best friend. You can really freak it if you spend a little time experimenting. Just try sampling a noise and mess with the time and gate on the arpegiator. Most dark psy leads are either gated or played in a percussive like pattern. When working with atonal sounds you just have to experiment with the different keys and see what comes out. I know in the beginning this can all seem a little overwhelming but if your patient and set goals you will acquire the skills that your looking for. Another tip I can give you is to get very comfortable working in audio. Glitch plug ins are great but if you really want those crazy clean breaks and glitches you need to edit and cut the audio by hand. It can also help with workflow and you save CPU. Luckily FL has the edison recorder for things like this. Good Luck.
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I whish i could find or get darkpsytrance project files for fl studio from somewhere it would be very good for learning. Seems to be very difficult. it all seems to be entirely too difficult for me.
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Posted : Dec 5, 2013 09:53
today I would get started right if I would not have deep philosophical thoughts about music.
Pattern +pattern+pattern or wav +wav:D
change the bassline with notes or in mixer with eq or maybe both but there is probably left no real rule
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On 2013-12-03 22:50, Cardinals Cartel wrote:
When you write or think 'I want to be like psykovsky or kindzadza' Or When you
wrote 'Tsabeatkicksamples' Well , This is already un serious (An broken thought) .
But I am very interested in darkpsytrance and would like to make some great songs. i have fl studio 11 and a lot of good vst like alien 303,albino3 with some psybanks,vanguard,surge,etc. There are only short tutorials on how to make the bassline.
I also know a lot of people dont use fl they use cubase,abelton,and logic but i know it is possible to make good darkpsy on fl studio i have used fl a couple of yers and tis is a tune i haved try to make 
i hate this sound already don't make it again
