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frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 9, 2013 00:22
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On 2013-12-08 21:28, Realityvampire wrote:
Hell yeah it sound better when i tried to write my own notes f.... the riffmachine 
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yep. also, try to think of it as experience. someone said and I subscribe it, that you must learn how to enjoy the process - the time you're spending doing this. after that, think that's it's perfectly ok to make bad stuff, even to fail. pressure can lock one's creativity, things like fear of failure, of not living up to meet one's own expectations. so, really, expect nothing. just enjoy the ride and try to open your senses to what's going on, the experience you're creating to yourself.
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Fungophago
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Posted : Dec 9, 2013 00:41
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Realityvampire
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Posted : Dec 9, 2013 10:37
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Another thing wonder in darkpsytrance,horror,and hitek i have regognized is that artist cut voice and things samplers from movies. and other music but how?
I definitely do not think I have to be very musically talented for darkppsy for I have heard a lot tunes with no melodies more rythmic noise. even in some good artists track is the same shit repeated over and over again. that is why i thought darkpsytrance was easier than fullon and goa and the other genre |
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daark
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Posted : Dec 9, 2013 12:10
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On 2013-12-09 10:37, Realityvampire wrote:
Another thing wonder in darkpsytrance,horror,and hitek i have regognized is that artist cut voice and things samplers from movies. and other music but how?
I definitely do not think I have to be very musically talented for darkppsy for I have heard a lot tunes with no melodies more rythmic noise. even in some good artists track is the same shit repeated over and over again. that is why i thought darkpsytrance was easier than fullon and goa and the other genre
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A track made without a soul will have no soul you got to like what you do and connect to it i think in every art try to make hip hop after 20years of only trance production. You will be a newbie as you almost opened the daw first time. It takes time and practice to reach that "sound" you want be it goa or dark or dnb it feels like a different universe with a total different apprroach it takes practice to get the result you want. Btw even pro artists make shit tracks  so don't give up . It takes lots of time and some luck to finish a really good track and sometimes it comes and sometimes it don't . Just keep on learning . and save the things that worked .like write it down or just remember Read alot and learn as much as possible make that double the time you tweak your kick and bass
 http://soundcloud.com/magimix-1/chilling-forest-whispers
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frisbeehead
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Posted : Dec 9, 2013 14:38
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about the fm patch on Albino, I can make some simple "starters" patches for you, but it's no good if it's just going to replace your own experimentation.
to put it in a simple way: a common oscillator produces a wave form whose frequency is within the audio range - the frequencies that the human ear is capable of picking up, somewhere from 20Hz to 20Khz. a common LFO - low frequency oscillator - usually has it's frequency range bellow that range, so it's inaudible, produces no sound on it's own and is used to modulate other parameters on the instrument, like pitch, filter cut off, so forth and so on...
of course there's oscillators and lfo's that can extend to the entire range.
when you're talking about FM, you're talking modulation that's done within the audible range.
what you're trying to setup on Albino (or any other FM capable synthesizer) is just one oscillator controlling the pitch of the other.
so on the oscillator section, the first oscillator should be in "FM" mode, which will not produce any sound at all. once you turn on the second one, it will produce some sound.
after you've set this up, the way to go is to experiment with the relative pitches of the two. that's why I said: tune the first one octave lower and the second one octave higher.
don't just look for a usable sound: this guidelines will produce a usable fm lead sound, but tweak the tune parameters (octave, semi, fine tune...) on the oscillators to see what happens to gain a feel for what's going on.
most common leads would make use of a high pass filter, with some resonance to emphasize the movement.
that's pretty much it
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Realityvampire
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Posted : Dec 9, 2013 16:36
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On 2013-12-09 14:38, frisbeehead wrote:
about the fm patch on Albino, I can make some simple "starters" patches for you, but it's no good if it's just going to replace your own experimentation.
to put it in a simple way: a common oscillator produces a wave form whose frequency is within the audio range - the frequencies that the human ear is capable of picking up, somewhere from 20Hz to 20Khz. a common LFO - low frequency oscillator - usually has it's frequency range bellow that range, so it's inaudible, produces no sound on it's own and is used to modulate other parameters on the instrument, like pitch, filter cut off, so forth and so on...
of course there's oscillators and lfo's that can extend to the entire range.
when you're talking about FM, you're talking modulation that's done within the audible range.
what you're trying to setup on Albino (or any other FM capable synthesizer) is just one oscillator controlling the pitch of the other.
so on the oscillator section, the first oscillator should be in "FM" mode, which will not produce any sound at all. once you turn on the second one, it will produce some sound.
after you've set this up, the way to go is to experiment with the relative pitches of the two. that's why I said: tune the first one octave lower and the second one octave higher.
don't just look for a usable sound: this guidelines will produce a usable fm lead sound, but tweak the tune parameters (octave, semi, fine tune...) on the oscillators to see what happens to gain a feel for what's going on.
most common leads would make use of a high pass filter, with some resonance to emphasize the movement.
that's pretty much it
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Intresting yes simple starters would be helpful and very kind to experiment with in the beginning. If you have time to make some so thank you it would mean a lot to me. And also good to se how they really are made. and trying to jam with them in the beginning.
I think of course not expect that I would succeed with something super in the beginning but hopefully something that can be called darkpsy. I do not know why but I fell in love with hitek darkpsy the first time I heard this kind of music  I also have no expectation that I would be any real producer label records and things like that.
But to make a few good tracks and put them on youtube wuold be my dream right now. |
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Taisto
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Posted : Dec 9, 2013 17:46
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On 2013-12-09 10:37, Realityvampire wrote:
I definitely do not think I have to be very musically talented for darkppsy for I have heard a lot tunes with no melodies more rythmic noise.
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Yes, i agree in most of the cases, thats why i keep dark style mostly random and so quite boring to hear for long distance, but few exceptions of course as always you can find.. But creating even decent rhythm is not that easy and needs some sort of musical sense of groove and flow..
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Realityvampire
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Posted : Dec 10, 2013 16:25
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Is it possible to find tutorials on squeaks somewhere? |
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Nabam
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Posted : Dec 11, 2013 14:25
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Look at Youtube. Plenty.
Pick a synth, base preset, just one oscillator (maybe begin with saw wave), and tweak
Eventually you'll make this "hey I know this" sound.
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Realityvampire
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Posted : Dec 12, 2013 15:32
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On 2013-12-11 14:25, Nabam wrote:
Look at Youtube. Plenty.
Pick a synth, base preset, just one oscillator (maybe begin with saw wave), and tweak
Eventually you'll make this "hey I know this" sound.
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there is only darkpsy basslines and kick tutorials on youtube for fl studio. and a crap tutorial from probably anaother noob like me :/ I have searched night and day for weeks now without enay results. But there is ofcourse tutorials on every other trend music. I have tried to find help on other forums too but no response probably because they can not be bothered to explain or they dont no or care. that's why I began to believe its difficult like hell to make hitekdarkpsytrance leads,loops,voiceeffects |
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Xsze
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Posted : Dec 12, 2013 20:11
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Realityvampire
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Posted : Dec 13, 2013 20:07
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Good idea better to join a darkproducer forum and ask them my questions. instead of disturbing people here on isratrance with a lot newbie questions. I have learned basics good from here. And a kind producer on psymusic uk did a tutorial on fm leads and basic notes. and it was not that hard and sounded great |
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The Bap
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Posted : Dec 14, 2013 00:59
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hey man, I'm an admin on that page (John). Let me know when you join and I'll hook you up. There are a lot of very talented people there and also some great tuts from members and lots of other cool stuff.
https://soundcloud.com/craic-addict |
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The Bap
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Posted : Dec 15, 2013 15:58
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Moss
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Posted : Jan 3, 2014 10:14
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join us on facebook we have alot of good tutorials for dark psy production..
facebook group: dark psyhodelic producers forum ..
BoOmmmm!!!!
http://soundcloud.com/moss-krimos |
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