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V3NOM
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Posted : Mar 10, 2010 00:35
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On 2010-03-04 16:21, ocelot wrote:
buddha monkey buddha monkey...
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Aaron, I know who you are mate.
I was taking the piss 
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Mar 31, 2010 18:21
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On 2010-03-04 16:21, psytones wrote:
... 'Da Budet' (In Norwegian, this title reminds me of something allà 'Budbringeren' which translates into 'The Messenger').
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In Russian this means “Let there be”.
As in Genesis 1:3: “And God said, Let there be light: and there was light.”
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Shiranui
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Posted : Apr 2, 2010 21:57
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 3, 2010 02:07
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Maine Coons are (probably) their relatives. One theory says that Norwegian cats came to America with Vikings. Another theory says that these cats came much later, during colonial times already, with some captain Coon. Then they mixed with local cats (maybe even with bobcats - American lynx - too). The most outlandish theory claims that Maine Coons are part-cats part-raccoons 
I think both breeds enjoy forest trance. I surely do!
...Sorry for the outrageous off-topic...
Back to the styles... In my “geographic map of generes” forest trance is Karelian: it’s still in Russia (dark psy), but very close to the Finnish border (Suomi)
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Posted : Apr 6, 2010 21:48
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There few kind of Dark , There is what i call 'Toy Dark' All this 148 till 200 Bpm . And there is the real Dark 135-142 Bpm
where you have some air inside so u can feel the dark much more deep , Massive and harder .
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kriz
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Posted : Apr 6, 2010 22:29
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rich
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Posted : Apr 7, 2010 00:24
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Does lower bpm always == progressive?
nah.
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Maine Coon
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Posted : Apr 7, 2010 16:45
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I had an opposite question for awhile:
Does progressive always mean lower BPM?
Another style thing: where would you put "Mechanical Dragon"? Is it a sub-genre of dark? Is it even trance to begin with? A lot of it sounded like Goth/industrial rock to me.  |
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kriz
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The way I see it, dark psy is dark like outer space or within the infinite reaches of your mind, not dark like evil or whatever. Mostly i just like to call it psy cause its intentionally psychedelic, which is what distinguishes it from other trance subgenres like full-on or progressive. psy can be any BPM, as long as its done tactfully:)
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AumShantiAum
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Posted : Jul 12, 2010 03:50
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too many styles.... sometimes i think its just easier to classify by locations, like Russian, Scandinavian, Japanese, San Francisco styles etc.. ofcourse that doesnt always work either. Psychedelic is just the best name for it
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On 2010-03-01 12:34, Kras wrote:
CPC - Subliminal Messages. For me the best album of previous year. Very original and with lots of new sounds. For me, this is the direction that more artists should follow. Maybe someone can recommend something similar?
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Indeed one of the best and most unique albums out there!It is one of the very few single artist albums that I listen to from start to end every single time!
Followed by Dark Soho's Combustion which i listen to non stop for 8 years now That is one UNIQUE album!
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so ok here it goes in my humble opinion
What people call dark psy is actually super mega complex multi layered fat music which can take you on a serious psychedelic journey, for me the only true heirs of the raw intention of goa-trance, that drenched-in-acid intense feeling, is what people call 'darkpsy'.
I cant include in these definition what is badly produced or poorly composed, It just does not fit with what I can call psychedelic trance, which is this innovative fat sounding pumping music that should definitely tell you a story and should basically trip your balls off. A lot of projects have appeared lately, specially in the most 'satanic reference' area of 'darkpsy', with really poor production and a general lack of creativity, which is simply not psychedelic, it is not mind expanding to be precise with words.
There are two currents : the organic and the more technical/glitchy side I will call cyberdelic just to honor the russians (which are in a way responsible for the style). And of course there also hybrids which can be dominated by one tendency more than the other one. Another variable would also be the mood of the tracks, there are definitely dark and bright expressions of every category, even the hybrids.
Forest[b]
Forest is oozing, organic music that crinkles and crackles, and crunches all the way thru. The name says it all, its really all about using the music to create an atmospheric feeling, almost like being swallowed by the forest itself, showing you the dark and bright aspects of nature, nature as a force itself, sometimes you dont need to put birds singing, sometimes you can make a synth 'become' a bird. There are a lot of 'becomings' in forest music, synths are turned into leaves, branches, water, etc. Definitely the forest sound is more oldschool, but in the best way you can use the term 'oldschool', we can even trace the roots to Logic Bomb, Hux Flux, Koxbox and even weirder stuff like Shaolin Wooden Men.
Derango is the definition of forest music and is also for me the most innovative psychedelic trance I ever heard, this is for me the perfect example of what I mean with 'hints of other styles' influencing the trance platform. Derango is able to be dark and bright , trippy and groovy and even jazzy all in the same track. Other similar acts are Pandora's Box (for me the only true derangoists), Makadam, Traskel, Procs, Donkey Shot, Hallucinogenic Horses. There is also the more recent wave from norway with all the Yggdrasounds crew, specially Loke, Krussedull and their project Hutti Heita. Most of them keep the balance between Dark and Bright quite well, most of them combine 'eerie', atmospheric parts, with more melodic/groovy parts.
Labels that nurse this sounds are Sanaton Records, Yggdrasounds and new labels such as Moon Koradji, Treetrolla and I would even include Lost Theory Records, altho they tend to be more 'hybrid' style.
[b]Parvati Sound
This is what i would call more linear/groovy forest music, less layers and no sudden changes, almost no stops, its just more flowing easy going psychedelic music. It was mainly developed by the guys in Aarhus, Denmark. You can trace some roots back to Paps or Digital Talk, but the main guys were for sure Grapes of Wrath, Jahbo/Meteloids, tracks that affected everyone from Kindzadza to Derango. There are many new or not so old followers of this style from Denmark and other parts of the world, examples would be Dronebixie, Papiyan, Hokus Pokus Gidra, Farebi Jalebi. Also many solo projects from new combinations between the guys in Aarhus.
There is also an interesting offshoot of this style which was Atriom and Encephalopaticys from Macedonia, they are in a way responsible for a new definition of the parvati style, a little bit more multi layered and a little bit more complex, specially in their work Ukalen.
I would say that most of the parvati style is mostly bright and fun, there are few exceptions like Dronebixie which is more 'mysterious', but this is not so common.
Definitely Parvati Records, but I would also include japanese labels such as Phreex and Shiva Power, although they tend also to be more 'hybrid-directed', they generally like a more foresty sound.
Cyberdelic
Cyberdelic music is basically defined by the special kinda of 'tricks' they use and the way its composed, there are many followers of this style and it has spawned all kinds of projects. But its fast energetic music and it uses a lot of audio editing and glitching, apart from these 'rules' it can basically go anywhere, the bpm can go up to infinite but it never goes down below 148 bpm. I use the term cyberdelic because it was coined by the russian guys in the famous V/A Peace for the Wicked. That v/a is really one of the best synthesis of the development of the 'hi-tech' style ever. It has everyone in there and it is still today a groundbreaking masterpiece of futuristic music.
Hi-Tech
I hate this name but i guess it fits in this purpose. I think the main definition of this style is that there are basically no melodic elements, its mostly rhytmic patterns created by slicing and rearranging audio files like a puzzle in the mix. It is definitly dance floor oriented and its usually not bright or dark, its just energetic/exciting. It seems to be the sort of current that ran through metal also, this high-speed fuck everything attitude, that was so refreshing when it appeared. I would definitely put Highko and Cosmo as the main responsible people for having developed the style and I would also credit them for being one of the first 'darkpsy' projects that actually raised the general level of production.
There are simple too many projects that decided to follow this trend but i find it hard to find one similar in the creativity and power that Highko and Cosmo had. Basically they created a style that was not only a style itself, but also a method of working that ended up influencing other parallel styles that were being developed. Highko and Cosmo definitely influenced Kindzadza and Psykovsky, they went from the 'parasense freaky style' to the 'hi-tech' mania in 2005. I think one of the best and most dedicated students of this legacy is currently Will O' Wisp, although his music has some other influences, he definitely keeps the Noise Poison spirit going. I think one of the best followers of this style was for a while Furious, specially with his album Uncanny Beats. Also other examples of the style would be the people they influenced like Energy Loop or Terranoise.
Noise Poison is definitely for me the best reference, I would also add Insomnia, which is responsible for many compilations and full albums that would belong to this style, althought they have always included other styles in their compilations.
Bright Side
The bright side of the cyberdelic music is also around 148/infinite bpm, but it is usually more multi layered and complex than its original style including melodic elements combined with complex abstractions of sliced audio.Definitely the 'cyberdelic' style for me is the best example that what people call 'darkpsy' is not dark at all. Kindzadza, Psykovsky and Kashyyyk would be my main examples for this. It is also They have almost no darkness in their tracks, it can get more mysterious or weird, but its mostly either melodic or abstract, or both distributed somehow along the track. They are definitely the high point in terms of production and they also have the rare ability to please hardcore connoisseurs and any crowd looking to party. They are psychedelic but powerful, melodic but not cheesy, all and all it must the most popular style in the 'darkpsy' genres.
Kindzadza and Psykovksy have changed and developed their style until the point where they make avant-garde electronic music. They are one of the most refined and elegant producers ever. Specially after they were influenced by the Hi-Tech movement, they took their style and production level up to the roof. They are definitely living legends in terms on how long and how much they have contributed to the development of this musical style. Kindzadza's Waves from Inner Space and Vasily's Da Budet are fundamental pieces to listen if you want to know why psychedelic trance is what it is today. Kashyyyk came a few years after to the game but he is a very well trained student of the cyberdelic arts, he was in a way also responsible for making the style more dancefloor oriented using melodies and groove, but keeping the power and the edge.
All of them use melodic contents in their tracks, Psykovsky is famous for using very bright and happy melodies, Kindzadza uses arpeggios and melodies, Kashyyyk goes into full blown melodies almost like a guitarist somehow, but they also tend to make this glitchy breaks that are so common in the hi tech style. Kindzadza is definitely more abstract and Psykovsky is definitely more melodic and subtle, Kashyyyk would be somewhere in the middle. I would also mention Glosolalia, a new argentina artist that has very few releases but its already quite well known in the underground.
The main labels for this are and always have been Osom Music and Tantrumm Records.
Organic/Technical Hybrids[b]
There are several projects which I cannot really place anywhere else but in this category. This style does not really exist and Im not trying to name it, but its a good way to keep organizing the music within the variables i mentioned before dark/bright and complex/simple or multi-layered/minimal.
These category would include all the greek stuff, all the usa stuff and also all the Japanese stuff. Basically all of them know and have studied the 'traditional' trance styles such as forest and cyberdelic. But they have combined them in their own way and character.
[b]USA style
Impossible to call it any other name, I'd even go as far as calling it 'californiat' trance, because a very common aspect of the 'darkpsy' family is that the movements appear in a precise geographic location such as Aarhus, Skopje, Orebro. The american artists crew are really well educated in terms of knowing what psychedelic trance is and how it has changed, you can also see this in the kind of artists they book for their parties and in general how they interact with the international scene.. The USA scene in general seems to be very conscious about the music that is played in parties.
Ocelot definitely has to be mentioned, altho his music was never dark, he was always a representative of the 'alternative' style of psytrance made in the USA. He was responsible for sowing the seeds that lead to many other acts in the states. Also othe fundamental acts are Quasar and Dylalien, Ghreg on Earth and Mubali. What is interesting of the states is that not only they generated their own style, they also have 'sub styles' and each artist can be easily differentiated.
Ghreg on Earth is for me the best crossover between industrial and psytrance, Sigilweaver is the perfect proof. Quasar and Dylalien have excelled in the fine arts of chanelling the psychedelic experience thru their almost oldschool san francisco psychedelic good vibes, using a lot of humor and color in their tracks, Quasar's album One day is fundamental. Mubali is also part of the 'old' school of trance in the USA, he also changed and mutated his style to redefine it as an almost paravati style quasi funk psychedelic trance, particularly with his latest tracks released. Also some new projects to add to the list would be Catatonic Despair, Freaks of Nature, Secret Society, Squee, Arahat, Bodhisattva, their styles are different but we could more or less group them in the organic/tecnhical hybrid, as most of them combine organic atmospheres with more glitchy tricks, but never really over doing any of these characteristics.
Most USA music is fun and enjoyable in the dancefloor and at home, they are also well known for doing conceptual albums and also for including a lot of 'insider jokes' from the trance scene. Labels that promote this sounds are Psycircle, Trishula, Mistress of Evil, Dropout and Brain Busters
Alien Mental
I place Alien Mental between the USA freaks and the greek freaks, the reason is because he is really between these two worlds. Alien mental is really one of the exceptions of the whole scene, he changed his style almost completely several times. He moved to San Francisco in the early 2000s and started hanging out with the USA crew of artists of that time, he eventually started writing music and slowly became one of the most unique and creative projects in the whole scene. He started out more similar to the USA style as he learned a lot from Ocelot and also he collaborated many times with Quasar, Dylalien and also ocasionally with the international artists that came to play such as Highko, Zik and Polyphonia.
This led to some changes in his music writing, changes that were not really obvious until in 2007 he dropped MIndhack, his first album released by Insomnia Records. And for me this was really crucial to prove that there are still styles to be discovered and developed and he did this in such an amazing way. Not only he combined the breaks and glitchy sliced audio tricks of the cyberdelic, he also combined the amostpheres, the mysterious and eerie feelings of the more organic/foresty sound. He is for me the best example of an hybrid, I would even say that he developed a new style which unfortunately is not very common, the only one I can really think of which is kinda similar is Glosolalia. And while everyone was still trying to figure this album out, he dropped this magnificent work called Freaks United, which not only raised the bar on terms of production it did also in terms of combining all kinds of influences in the 'darkpsy' platform. Also with his side project Sonik Scizzor he developed a more fast/fun style, sort of like his alter ego, if Alien Mental is dark and heavy, Sonik Scizzor is bright and light. Also with his project with Zik called Jibber Jabber they are redefining the style once again, a lot of this music is still to be released, hopefully we will see it out soon.
Greek Style
The greek style appeared quite established and well defined. Greek music can easily be recognized because of the lower octave basslines and deep sounds, almost no melodies at all, and if there is one, its a detuned pitch-bended one, never something cheesy, never something really bright, it can go from swampy and muddy to full power, but always keeping it groovy and never going to high bpms, most of the greek stuff is around 148/155.
The most well known acts ar Zik and his many incarnations like Horror Place, Zik, Matutero and Adrenal Glands, Polyphonia which unfortunately passed away in 2010, and Orestis from Athens. Once again they share a similar background musically speaking, most of them are metal fans, and except for Orestis, they all come from the same place which is Thessaloniki. They have always leaned more to the 'dark' side of trance but always with a very particular direction, combining organic and technical/glitchy tricks.
Zik particularly changed his style many times, althought you can always tell its him when its being played, he started out more in the horror/dark direction but after meeting other musicians and after trying different things he started to develop what for me is one of the best hybrid albums ever, which is Time Travel from Horror Place. The interesting aspect of Zik is that he is able to do foresty sound and also more glitchy sound, he combines this very well and he has played with all his knowledge in his many projects, particulary Zik is more foresty, Horror Place is more dark/glitchy and Adrenal Glands is his most 'fun' aspect in a way, a lot of humor and funny samples. Polyphonia is the most groovy uplifting project of greek music, he is very well known for his soundscapes of finely tuned layers and his bouncing basslines, his style is more minimal and more organic, but also lead-based sometimes. Orestis is more 'straight forward' in the sense that he is not so glitchy and there not so many points in his tracks where it comes to a full stop, he is usually more dark and atmospheric.
I would say that all these artists are more oriented to the night than to the day, not dark in a satanic way, but the howling detuned atmospheres remind you for sure of the darkest corners of your mind. There are no concrete labels realizing this style, but you can mostly find tracks of them either in foresty or hi tech compilations, usually Phreex, Quantum Frog and Echo Vortex realease this style.
Japanese style
Japanese music is relatively new for me and my information is scarce. Savage Scream is for sure the most well known artist of this style. In a way he influenced very much the new generation of Japanese artists. In the latest times a lot of projects appear such as Noise Gust, Jun, Nolm, Psycho Wizard, Fatal Discord, Far East Ghost, just to name a few. Most of them are oriented to a more dark and atmospheric style, a lot of them almost sound like movie scores. Over the years a lot of artists have appeared, and the styles vary from more foresty, parvati approach, to more high tech industrial sounds. They have also several collaborations projects together like Baal, Mephisto and Diablos.
they have a healthy international scene and they seem to enjoy the whole spectrum of 'darkpsy', it seems they enjoy artists that are somehow placed in the 'cult' status like Psykovsky, Kindzadza, Orestis, etc. Also another scene i still have to meet but i get the feeling they are very conscious about the artists they book and the vibe they want to create.
There are several Japanase Labels, Phreex Network, Digital Shiva Power and Rockendashi Productions.
There would be more sub categories but they have really not been developed completely, I would even propose a more tribal category where I would include projects like Enichkin, The Nommos, Xikiwri Neyra, I would include a more atmospheric category which projects such as Sator Arepo, and a more insane category where i would fit projects like Sectio Aurea.
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On 2010-04-07 16:45, Maine Coon wrote:
Where would you put "Mechanical Dragon" ? Is it a sub-genre of dark? Is it even trance to begin with? A lot of it sounded like Goth/industrial rock to me.
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Gothic ? Why .. Because of daniel (Gothica) Cd release in there ? , I dont think this label is gothic but can agree about the industrial , I think that the basis of this label is more kind of TechTrance
http://www.sonic-dragon.com/?load=/mechd/five_tons_flax_release.htm
But you know theres changes from disc to disc , Other editors , Labels also go's some times with the ppls and what the audience of the listeners like . Theres nice crew there , Ill hope they will keep this identity of an deep Slow , Larg and massive sounds and tunes . Also when it become to a new release its not only a Mechanical Dragon Record decision , This label its devision of Sonic Dragon Rec' and there there is the big managers and boss and some times others and defferent thoughts .
Any way style is not important .. If you like the music go on and have funnn ..
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