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Bone
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Posted : Sep 14, 2006 23:05
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sorry for the errors, i´m in a big hurry...
Almost unbeliveble to see, at this time in history, such prejudice... It sounds like my granmother saying: "Ho my god! satan whorshippers! Bad music! subversive!"
Yeah, subversive, and hell yeah not funny nor fluffy.
My goal as a DJ is not to babysit anyone, nor tell them what they allready know. But to offer an deep (the deeps are dark my friend, specially in the human mind) psychadelic experience, were you can confront yourself and grow up. Not to just offer a bunch of happy endings to make idiots happy with they miserable lives.
And i sure see more formulas (even people using the fucking same samples) in those "hi qualit morning full on" of yours.
Don´t get me wrong, i like all kinds psytrance. But when they are complex and autoral(is this rigth, in english?:P), not the same 1-0-1 that is the most common, not only in our kind of music, but in all off them.
Good music is like good people, hard to find...
tottaly agree with Catatonic Despair (and i take a chance to say: man, you work is incredible, very, very good. I really like to play your tracks. Tanks!!) and Morbidelic.
Its sad to se someone in our scene defend that there is rigth and wrong when art is concern. Pffft
Well, i leave here my invitation  : In Salvador/Bahia i play the most underground psychadelic to some thousands of jumping/dancing people. Come to play and see!
peace to all
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jowy333
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 06:53
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hey dont delete my posts this is chipset's post not yours. who are you to say what is suitable for isratrance anyways.
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Post posted by jowy333 in forum Brazil in topic Dark/Night Scene in Brazil has been deleted by IT. Post text was :waaah waaaah its too dark im a little baby i need ecstacy music not this crazy noise shit. this is brasil we need to be high on E and coke and listen to astrix not this dark skazi music.
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dont be stupid"
it was a joke. maybe you should take some of your own advice and think it over some nice dark killa unrls skazi wavs since skazi is so dark and all. sorry if you live in a place where they play psy at mainstream rave scenes, respect the underground even if it isn't your style. i saw a lot of ppl with negative input on "dark" music especially mr. IT who is probably gonna delete this post too, government style.
oh and one more beautiful quote from you genuises on the isratrance team.
"the worst worldwide drawback of dark music nowdays is that it's production lacks quality. A lot of artists are clueless about this issue of audio enginering and pre-mastering, and this is ESSENTIAL to play a descent Live Act, or even to spin the tracks at a DJ set."
LOL sounds like you know a lot about audio engineering.
here's a hint: just because someone is into noises and not real melodies doesn't make it "low quality".
what does low quality mean anyways, i dont see what full on/morning producers are doing differently then pumping you with some pimped out tiesto track with a rolling 16th note bassline instead of further exploring the sounds that made psytrance different than NRG and melodic anthem trance (ya im talking about "dark").
You say it as if dark producers dont put the same freq cuts and dont keep their tracks below clip.
gerald
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full_on
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 08:01
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jowy333, first of all, your post really did not had any real content. Neither me or IT like E or Coke or Astrix. Also dark music is very different from Skazi's music. Also at least I like dark music.
About my words:
"the worst worldwide drawback of dark music nowdays is that it's production lacks quality. A lot of artists are clueless about this issue of audio enginering and pre-mastering, and this is ESSENTIAL to play a descent Live Act, or even to spin the tracks at a DJ set."
Please understand that I am not "defending" full on or any other style, I'm talking about QUALITY.
Let me give you an example:
I just came back from Earthdance Festival.
DJ Morus played a DJ Set there starting at 1:15am and Baphomet Engine started their Live 2:45am.
When Morus was playing the quality level had a standart with a little variation for better quality (more clear and nitid sound) or worse quality (unpleasant to the ears, some frequencies higher than others).
When Baphomet Engine started their Live, the quality dropped to a lower level, almost every minute there was an unpleasant turn or effect. After 45 minutes I had to leave the dance floor, afraid of having some ear damage. Of course, Baphomet Engine made a hell of a Live, the played some good music like Recrucified rmx, the crowd went crazy, but some times it was too unpleasant.
Considerations:
Morus is a responsible DJ and played only original stuff, probably most of his tracks were fully mastered.
Baphomet Engine had to play synths and/or effects together with music from their laptop, when you play Live with laptop + other equipment, mastering/equalization/gain must be fixed during the Live. They also played with a high volume, so that this kind of mistakes can happen easily.
After Baphomet, Chipset played his new Live with a little less volume, but with a more clear sound, his music sounded more "round" than the Baphomet guys'.
This is construtive criticism. I respect Baphomet for being probably the most well known Brazilian dark project (they made their way up), but this does not prevent me from expressing my sincere opinion, which I think can help them to get better.
Nobody learns anythings if the Brazilian artists and DJs just post here saying each other rules.
Accepting comments/feedback and trying to fix mistakes is a way to improve their sounds. Brazilian dark artists have potential and good ideas to make music, in my opinion they have to invest more time and money in making music with more quality (studio monitors, soundcards, etc).
Please focus the discussion on the "Dark/Night Scene in Brazil", let's try to turn this topic in something positive.
Respect!
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jowy333
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 09:54
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"the worst worldwide drawback of dark music nowdays is that it's production lacks quality."
i do not disagree that there may be some lack of quality with some brasillian acts especially during a live set and especially since i wasnt there.
what i do strongly disagree with is the quote above which addresses worldwide dark producers.
gerald
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jowy333
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 09:57
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and yes i know what real dark is i was just joking about skazi |
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Andreh
Bash / Kernel Panic
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 17:02
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Just a thing i would like to share with all you guys:
Who lives here in brazil, know how is hard to get a good hardware for music production... Is too expensive here and in the rest of the world is more cheap then here... Is a very importat fact, music producers here, have to make the impossible to get a nice equalization without a nice and hardware.
Bash's Home:
http://www.myspace.com/bashbr
Mind Tweakers Records:
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BAPHOMET_ENGINE
Baphomet Engine
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Posted : Sep 19, 2006 19:03
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When Baphomet Engine started their Live, the quality dropped to a lower level, almost every minute there was an unpleasant turn or effect. After 45 minutes I had to leave the dance floor, afraid of having some ear damage. Of course, Baphomet Engine made a hell of a Live, the played some good music like Recrucified rmx, the crowd went crazy, but some times it was too unpleasant.
Considerations:
Morus is a responsible DJ and played only original stuff, probably most of his tracks were fully mastered.
Baphomet Engine had to play synths and/or effects together with music from their laptop, when you play Live with laptop + other equipment, mastering/equalization/gain must be fixed during the Live. They also played with a high volume, so that this kind of mistakes can happen easily.
After Baphomet, Chipset played his new Live with a little less volume, but with a more clear sound, his music sounded more "round" than the Baphomet guys'.
This is construtive criticism. I respect Baphomet for being probably the most well known Brazilian dark project (they made their way up), but this does not prevent me from expressing my sincere opinion, which I think can help them to get better.
Nobody learns anythings if the Brazilian artists and DJs just post here saying each other rules.
Accepting comments/feedback and trying to fix mistakes is a way to improve their sounds. Brazilian dark artists have potential and good ideas to make music, in my opinion they have to invest more time and money in making music with more quality (studio monitors, soundcards, etc).
Please focus the discussion on the "Dark/Night Scene in Brazil", let's try to turn this topic in something positive.
Respect!
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Yeah you are rite  ... We are getting several problems with the middle frequecies (NOT QUALITY) on the lives.. we are working to fixed it!!   
...also nice to say that we play exclusive musik versions on lives not the masters that the labels gave to us... so, that´s not low quality its eq´s problems.... 
So.. about your fear to get one ear damage.. don´t worry man.. We know that you have a strong ear... 
Would nice to say too that all, we say ALL.. All lives are always in a Hurry... no time to test or equalize the soundsystem..
...if we get time to equalize the soundsystem as our music eq´s (cause we now what´s wrong on our unmaster tracks )also normmaly each track has different eq´s to be set.. but this is easy to fix on a Live Cubase File, no problems... but never the org´s ask it or give time to you do it... all lives are always in a hurry.... and when you play 80% of new unmastered music it´s the price that you pay to test it on the dancefloor. 
And also remember... when you listen EMPTY music.. you listen all ROUND frequencies... Hi,Mid,Low.. always on their places... FULL music, FULL FX, FULL Freqs... you get Frequencies interpolation... that´s why sometime unmaster music give you ear damage.. Lot of FX on same ranges.. no good EQ´s... but this is a LIVE. Not Dj´ set with master label Cd. 
Thanks for the critics...
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 00:17
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BAPHOMET_ENGINE, nice to read your reply here, specially the way you understood my comments, this is rare and this is what we need: humbleness. I don't know if I expressed myself in a clear way, but you tried and understood it.
Respect!
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...Be gentle with the earth...
...Dance like nobody's watching...
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...I don't mind not going to Heaven, as long as they've got Coffee in Hell... |
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CHIPSET
Chipset / Woogie Boogie
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 03:10
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10x for the critics and for hear my live full on ..
about the volume i made the masteke to made the live in 16 bits.. i think that´s was the cause about the volume.. 10x for like the eq´s too.. hehe this topic make many point of views..i think that´s about democracy, even in internet... cheers
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Lucas Aly
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 20:20
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On 2006-09-04 18:57, CHIPSET wrote:
some upcoming artists that i like a lot are:
canibal bbq
demonizz
necropsycho
headoze
leptvm
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Someone got any info about these guys coz i never heard about them in my life, probably none of them from São Paulo...
Infos???
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Andreh
Bash / Kernel Panic
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 21:33
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CHIPSET
Chipset / Woogie Boogie
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 22:19
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canibal bbq ( neo vox + psynatorium) SP NABI
demonizz (leandro) SP
necropsycho (dj nuccho) SP PSYBERTRIBE
headoze (crovo) GO DEAD TREE PRODUCTIONS
leptvm (manash) GO DEAD TREE PRODUCTIONS
Bash (andre) DF (sonic tantra / discovalley)
very nice bro and music too
cheers
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Andreh
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Posted : Sep 20, 2006 22:46
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crovo
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Posted : Sep 21, 2006 03:57
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Vert_Shaka
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Posted : Sep 21, 2006 04:31
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Answering the question of Barows:
i think that the dark scene here in brazil is growing day a day. Lives and djsets are being executed very well and the artists, nowadays, have a great quality to execute it. But the organization of parties dont give them a good infrastructure like they give for labels artists.
Obs: This is my first time here, so nice to "meet" u all =D
Respect and peace, Thx All! |
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