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Shaman Films Records
Shaman Films Records
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Posted : Sep 5, 2006 18:30
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I am really really interested in the new production Brazil has to offer..
We have signed few new comers from brazil promising killer sounds such as Magma Ohm, Cannibal Barbacue,
Ufologics, and of course Baphomet who needs no intro!
A big hurra to the new Brazilian Revolution FINALLY!!
  Egnogra
Shaman Films Media
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StimuluS
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Posted : Sep 5, 2006 18:48
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Hi guys,
I dont know how is dark psytrance scene in Brazil(mean partys) but i can talk about Brazil night sound! I know that if Brazil will have more artists as Stereographic / Magma Ohm / Cannibal Barbacue / Ufologics and Baphomet and more Dj's as Morus, you will have great future in dark psy scene...
And i realy like sound from this projects and want wish all the best to this guys!!!
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insane
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Posted : Sep 5, 2006 18:57
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why cant this simple concept get in ur head - that dark psy - is not associated with satanic rituals .. we aint doIn a slaughter fest .. its MUSICAL taste.. Baphomet who is so well-known for Atmospheric Dark psychedelic music.. so too all the projects mentioned by stimulus/egnora. Stereographic will soon be in a very recognised pioneer label in dark psy soon..  pls keep this argument aside - u dont like it ,dont listen, thats it. upcoming artists r takin the innitiative to mark Brazil forever..support em.  Best wishes to all !
booOm!
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Vorax
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Posted : Sep 5, 2006 19:35
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Finally, what is this thread topic about?
1-Brazilian Dark Psychedelic scene:
Still very small, but growing. Many people here are starting to understand the essence of underground music. The PROPOSAL counts more, not the music itself.
Keep working, guys.
2-Dark Psychedelic Music:
Underground. "u dont like it ,dont listen, thats it." - already said. Music/parties are leisure, not RELIGION. You can make/watch a terror movie, youīre not satanic for doing it. So people can make and have fun with "macabre" music.
Keep underground alive (at daylight or night).
If you canīt understand, stay away.
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joaovictor2006
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Cannibal Barbecue
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IT
man what a fuck u just said ,just shit music , no quality , this partyes shooulld never exist ? man. what u have on your mind ? what abou that flluffy shiat that i cant hear anymore.. from 5 years the same artists r playn in the same partyes.. an always the same melodrama noises and basslines.. wtf man.. cant go to a party and be happy listening this POION teneneneum!!!
WOW.. i dont believe someone think like u guy.. theres 2 kind of music.. the good music. and the bad music.. and ppl.. dark music theres nothing with satan.. dark for me is just the word to put before trance to denominate my style.. but , nothing more than this...
so , im tired about this descrimination..
we have no trance culture in brazill , we only have here ppl that THINK they r the bests ,and they know , they understan everything.. about the same stuf they did 4 years ago.. ppl.. stop listening thiss flluffy bastards.. forgot about them...
LOL
and man.. if u are from the isra trance team.. feeel fre to delete this comment , topic or block my username.. i dunno.. i dont give a shit..
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AKBALKA
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Hi everybody... This the first time i post here...i donīt Know english very well, so donīt pay atention on my gramatical errors..hehehehe
Iīm from brazil...Iīm a dj an now i try to produce, and iīm a antropologic cientist...Iīm studing de trance movement in brasil and i agree with stereographic words...
To understand brazilian dark cene and dark musics we must have on our minds some thinks:
The first point is: To you understand any culture, you have to go to this culture and see with your own yes. thats the same in this discution...how you undertunding better than lives here? you got now?
The second: We have a serious problem here. The most new trancers in brasil, go to the party think this is like a carnival. Brazil people are so unknoweled about trance culture. So, the party here, are lot of fake trancers. They go with wave, because your friends and girls think this is be cool, but they donīt know about the trance spirit. the most brazilians trancers think thats parties is a place to get high and sex. Only this. The most, donīt know what listen. why it is that, its another discution, but this is realy important to undersdand de dark cene here.
and finaly: here, in start of trance cene, we had a beautiful peoples preocupated in teacher de trance culture. and we have a beautiful partys thanks this people. But wen raves trance boom here, this culture was seek, because the comercial thinks.. and all of values and feeling trancers are lost with the time. Today is realy a carnival with e-music.
So the dark cene in Brasil is really important and came to bring back this feeling psychadelic. We are fighting here. And we need the suport to make the people understund what is psychadelic movement.
thatīs all
peace
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full_on
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Posted : Sep 5, 2006 20:31
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OK, last page was way too aggressive IMHO, let's try to keep on topic and avoid discussing tastes here.
It's more productive to discuss objective issues, rather than keep stuck in endless subjective discussions.
I like night music and I'm frequently buying some dark releases. However, I repeat:
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On 2006-09-04 23:41, full_on wrote:
IMO music is very bad, amateur and has a very low quality. There's no way to compare the quality of the music from these new Brazilian "dark artists" with the quality of the music that is being released by the VERY FEW labels who release dark music with acceptable quality.
The worst worldwide drawback of dark music nowdays is that it's production lacks quality. A lot of artists are clueless about this issue of audio enginering and pre-mastering, and this is ESSENTIAL to play a descent Live Act, or even to spin the tracks at a DJ set.
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What this means? I meant that we have around 3 producers with "acceptable" production level. Surely we have some other guys that probably will be producing with more quality in a year or two, but night producers must face this fact in order to improve.
Specially the public and the DJs who are friends of the producers (yes, you who is reading this right now) should give real feedback and encourage the producers to pay attention to this important issue.
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Posted : Sep 5, 2006 21:08
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First of all, I'd like to add that this discussion (besides people bitching @ each other) is very good, for the Night scene.
Lets just be respectable with others comments.
3 years ago, I could fit myself as a SATAN WORSHIPPER (@ IT, u must REALLY learn how to make a better use of your great English skills). Whats the connection between these things?? NONE!
I do believe that productions nowadays, dont have too much quality. Only missed up noises, with a 150BPM kick.
Dark is not about that.
But I also believe that IT must think back his own words.
Why shouldnt these parties exist??
R u a master of production?
Even if u are (which Im sure u r not) at the start, u were once just a punk, trying to make good music.
So, AT LEAST, have some respect for those who r REALLY trying to improve our scene, even by making shitty music, instead of just bitch around peoples work.
U dont see me bitching about your way of moderating this forum
Who knows someday, these guys can grow their level of production, being close to artists such as Baphomet Engine, Stereographic and Magma Ohm.
In a way or another, Ill be glad to see their name @ Saikosounds.com, with an album on Releases Section, reviewed by Death Posture, or our TRUE moderator (@ least the only who acts like one) Full-on.
Dont get e wrong. I love this forum.
Theres just a few things that a change would be very helpful.
Best Regards!
(Nothing Personal)
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Shawnodese
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Well, well...what a discussion here...uff !
1st of all I'd personally like to express my support for any kind of artists, dark or morning, psy or progressive. There should be no difference in respect artists from 1 style above or below another and we should all respect eachother for the choices we make, like mr. Jaffa put it properly, it would be rather boring if we would all like the same music wouldn't it  We would all sort off be fighting in the cd-shops for the same 10 or 100 artists and cd's they'd release....isn't diversity what makes this planet beautiful:q: As far as I'm concerned all artists should be supported no matter what kinda music they make. The msg in the music itself is something I will refer more to in a bit...
The main thing we all started or got involved with this music is because it touched us in some way. The music, the spirit at parties and all the beauty that a good promoter and all involved such as dj's, live-acts, crew and audience were the reason for all of us to get sucked in this phenomenon. Intolerance like IT is spreading with his words here, are definitely not the way to reach that Utopia we all long for and many times experience in some kinda form on our magic parties. I'm not saying you are a good or bad person IT, but I would indeed advice you to try and see a bit beyond your own narrow-minded (cause it's nothing but pre-programmed mind-settings u show here) vision, this is not meant as in insult but as a msg and invitation to you to find out that there are 'good' and 'bad' people everywhere, no matter which color of skin, country they come from or music they listen to.....you as a person with a leading function here should educate yourself about such (simple & basic & easy to learn if u want to) principles of life and that goes for anyone that thinks the dark OR morning scene is more fucked up, bad, good then the other.
WE ARE ALL ONE - that means judging someone else, is judging yourself....I think history on planet Earth has showed us many times where this is leading to and I think a good listener only needs half a word to understand this rather simple principle of life as well.
Last thing I would like to point out is the issue of Satanism here. First of all I should make it clear that I personally am not a fan of this kinda stuff, but on the other hand I think it's to damn funny to see how certain people react on it. It's like a kid putting on a scarey mask and the parents declare him a demon for real and wanna execute the kid for real....ain't that a LITTLE BIT OVER THE TOP PEOPLE
Some people are in a stage where they wanna shock the world, for fun, for a goal that might not be even clear to them, to unrelease pain, frustration, anger and other such emotions. Let's face it, this world is not ONLY about sugar-lollypop-trance realism. There's a lot of blood and gore, death and mutilation and other such things happening on a daily base. Some people are faced with this in their own daily life and they find they can release this in their artforms, if this is making music, painting or whatever else doesn't really matter. I personally believe that if those DON'T get that chance to release, that they will really turn into the monsters some of us fear they allready are. It has been proven on psychiatric and scientific levels for many times that art is one of the most perfect ways to release tension and to express our feelings and/or our personality in the ways we see fit and like need at certain moments. Isn't this also the reason why this planet is so incredibly rich with so many amazing artforms:q: Isn't this what makes us as human beings so beautiful for a big part.....'cause of our art:q:
I think specially people like you IT, or anyone that agrees with you should have another look at the so-called full-on parties and check how much uglyness, drug-abuse, sexism and absolute barbarism finds place on those parties, SPECIALLY in your country and also Mexico for example. I have been playing in almost every continent in the world and in many many countries...and the only 2 times I felt like stopping with dj-ing and was literally crying in the dj-boot was in YOUR country and in Mexico, because of the absolute stupidity and ignorance of people coming to those massive mainstream full-on parties and that have indeed no friggin' idea whatsoever what the true spirit of psytrance is all about. Gangs of guys with oversized muscles bothering women, kids on bad drugs like (sniffing glue and all sorts of bad shit I would hardly ever see in Europe and saw there on a lotta occasions) and lots of other ugly and nasty things ur country's parties are ALSO known for.....it shows people are just as ignorant on psytrance parties just as well as at a Britney Spears concert, I personally see no difference in this behaviour with such concerts or the local bar on the corner where a drunk bothers someone at all. Psytrance = Life = ABOUT BEING HUMAN AND SHOWING RESPECT IN LIFE TO EACHOTHER IN LOVE, ACCEPTANCE AND PEACE !!!
Enough said....have a nice day all of ya !  
And Catatonic_D. - respect to you and big thumbs up man  You got ur shit together up your head.... 
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Andreh
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Janczur (FOP)
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Wow! Wise words shawnodese!
Just one more thing.. from all the artists i met in my life.. from the guys who makes the weirdest kind of music to the one who makes "more normal music" (i donīt know how to express it) in dark psychedelic trance none of them seem to have a pact with the devil or some kind of stuff like this....
I should say then if dark artists have this "course" so morning full on producers have a pact with butterflies and angels... isnīt this a pre concept?
The thing is each one has itīs taste for music. For me dark music (i hate to be labeling it) is the one in trance which touchs me most heading me into a trip.. personal opinion...
Personal opinion also when i say pop trance music for me is nowadays only a factory of making money. Itīīs not about purely music anymore.. Not about Psychedelic Trance. For me most of pop shit is psychedelic fart.. that does not lead u onto a real psychedelic trip...
But even though i hate this full on which is produced nowadays, i donīt say.. o astrix u are a fucker i hate u because the music u make does not please me. Itīs not his fault. i simply do not listen.. I mean if 15000 people enjoy it in a party an i donīt? whatīs the matter.. i simply leave the dancefloor.. the same applies on the oposite. If u do note like to listen to dark music.. simply leave the dancefloor...but respect the ones who like it
WE must know all kind of music.. like it or not we should respect all the artists...Above all music is art expression.
So letīs not shit on someone elseīs work. Letīs open our minds to the new...
What i saw @ boom festival nites made me see that in Brazil unfortunatelly we may never have a strong psychedelic scene. The whole psychedelya of fluor and lights was much more evident in the night.. the night is trippier....We have people here trying to bring something different and this is already great...or we gonna live forever as marcelo (bbcue) said from the same morning psychedelic fart forever...
Letīs listen to music. Thatīs the most important!
PS: Xenomorph when performed here for the first time there were 100 people @ the party. When the day came there were 5000 people to see space monkey and space budha (what is more profitable??)
PS 2 small underground parties are hapening
PS 3 Universo Paraalello seems to be giving a bigger importance to the night this year.. still slightly.. but starting to 
editing:
PS4: DAylight parties??? WTF! The greatest magic is in dancing all nite till sunrise
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Hg
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Thank you all for your replies. Looks like I turned out to be the Devil himself.
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On 2006-09-04 17:37, CHIPSET wrote:
ola ppl.. iīd like to known what u think about the parties and artists (Dark/Night) in brazil, and what u think should we to do for make it better.
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My Opinion:
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On 2006-09-04 22:54, IT wrote:
The music is very bad, amateur and non quality. The people who play and pretend they are artists are nothing but jokes and these parties should never exist, imo.
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My reasons are according to my perception and experience. The stereotypical image that this kind of groupie trance has in my opinion has to do with everything I said.
First of all, I wasn't pointing my fingers at anyone, just expressing my opinion. If you don't like my opinion you are free to talk to me about it, but not about me, because NO ONE here knows me.
I never said ALL dark music is bad. Never said all of it has to do with evil sources, angry energies or whatever. Never went and never will go against underground movements.
I do, however, see a lot of fucked up shit in this subject "dark trance". And I also see a lot of fucked up shit in all other styles, but by chance decided to comment on this one.
Everything I say is based on my experience as an everyday participant on this scene. As a person who is at your service in this forum trying to make the best out of its potentials.
That's when people's anger felt offended and pointed their fingers at me. Again, if you feel offended and disrespected I'm really sorry, but that's your problem. Everything I'm saying is according to my personal reasons and Yes! this forum is a place where you can share your thoughts.
Problem is that people don't read what was written and interpret something totally different out of the original message. If it happened that I wasn't clear that gives you the right to complain but doesn't mean it's ok to attack 'me'. For the older users of this forum, have you ever, ever, seen me involved in any fights or violent arguments with anyone else here? No! I had never ever had problems with anyone in this forum, whereas I do have problems with a lot of ideas and concepts that are going on here.
For example, I never said younger artists should stop, that they are all bad or whatever. Never said creativity should have limits. Never forced anyone to agree with what I said. But many people came up with that interpretation.
Immediately, I have to take replies like:
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On 2006-09-05 02:16, crovo wrote:
@ IT:
why do you've posted here anyway?
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On 2006-09-05 02:56, dgl wrote:
it you should grown up man dunt know nothing about real psychadelia ya ? 
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On 2006-09-05 04:17, dgl wrote:
ok np IT im doing yore MORTE
is becuz when you are at parti you likes drop your xtc phill and feel your fucking horrible vibe
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On 2006-09-05 05:45, Stereographic wrote:
as i moderator yu have to be imparcial and at least have some respect with people
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First, IT the mere fact that you are quickly beginning to sound like a ranting evangelical indicates to me that you are assuming an offal lot about a lot of people. In short, you are stereotyping.
I am merely pointing out the outrageousness of your paranoia. You definitely need some dark music in your life IMHO to break down these barriers of yours or something to put you back on track (if you ever were...).
...confronting elitists such as yourself and hearing that they have no right to party or play their music.
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Wo Es war soll Ich werden
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On 2006-09-05 17:23, Jaffasplaffa wrote:
well as a , by other people labelled dark artist(g.o.w / syntax error) I HEREBY INVITE IT TO COME TO DENMARK AND STAY WITH ME FOR A LITTLE WHILE...so you can meet some of the satanic worshippers you think is making the dark music....
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Tak for invitationen, måske næste år.
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why cant this simple concept get in ur head - that dark psy - is not associated with satanic rituals ..
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Dude, how could you tell, you are insane!
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On 2006-09-05 21:24, Shawnodese wrote:
Intolerance like IT is spreading with his words here, are definitely not the way to reach that Utopia we all long for and many times experience in some kinda form on our magic parties. I'm not saying you are a good or bad person IT, but I would indeed advice you to try and see a bit beyond your own narrow-minded (cause it's nothing but pre-programmed mind-settings u show here) vision, this is not meant as in insult but as a msg and invitation to you to find out that there are 'good' and 'bad' people everywhere, no matter which color of skin, country they come from or music they listen to.....you as a person with a leading function here should educate yourself about such (simple & basic & easy to learn if u want to) principles of life and that goes for anyone that thinks the dark OR morning scene is more fucked up, bad, good then the other.
I think specially people like you IT, or anyone that agrees with you should have another look at the so-called full-on parties and check how much ugliness, drug-abuse, sexism and absolute barbarism finds place on those parties, SPECIALLY in your country and also Mexico for example.
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So, yeah, I think all of you should reconsider your interpretations about me. Again, you don't know anything about me and you have to consider that your perceptions on what I wrote here may not represent anything, that I might just be teasing or whatever. This is a serious thing...
because the only thing you know about me is that I help run this forum so that you can come here and have a nice time. That is a fact!
First opportunity for some of you, Zang!, start throwing rocks. And for me that's a great reflexion of why there are so bad things in our scene today: People want to go against the system but want to use the system's qualities. Grow up!
And being very honest, following the topic, it's obvious that most people who are responding fit in one of two categories:
1- "I love dark trance. You are against dark trance. Therefore I'm against you"
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2- "I'm labeled as dark trance producer. You are talking bad about my label. Therefore I have to defend myself."
So yeah, who the cap fit, let them wear it.
As a matter of fact, I love some of the music labeled as dark trance too. Agree with MANY things people said in this topic. But think it's very stupid not to overcome this "label/style" talk. That's being groupie for me and that is not underground. Do you have any idea of how many social contracts do you make when you are labeled? THAT is a serious thing. Taste is taste, ok I deeply respect that, but that doesn't apply to labeled taste.
Plus, I thought it was time to show that it's open for discussions. And we should learn how to develop serious conversations without hypocrisy. Somehow for many users of this Section of the forum, in general, we are here just for Party Promotion and Self-promotion. Especially Brazilian artists and Djs, most of them just come around to promote themselves, have nothing to say and go through by inertia of mediocrity and unauthenticity - towards hypocrite, capitalist, $$$, will to power and success aims. 
For me and many, as a matter of fact, there's room for much more than self-promotion and bookings around here. That's why I appreciate everyone's inputs - they reveal the Truth! An ugly fookin truth.
You have to understand all this talk has to do with a generalization, no one here knows every single artist and party to be able to judge all.
I thought that was a clear point, but it seems to be as dark as my pint of Guinness.
Hence, I will reconsider my first statement:
The music is overall very bad, amateur and non quality. The people who play and pretend they are artists are, in general, nothing but jokes and most these parties should never exist, imo.
I still can't see where I disrespected anyone in particular. I was indeed hash towards a special groupie revolted label and I couldn't care less.
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stereographic dyslexic I'm glad you got some of the point so far.
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That was a joke dude, please accept my apologies if you felt disrespected by this. cna't find it |
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Kzar
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No, you didnīt desrespected anyone in particular, bu a whole group of DJs/Producers.... what is worst.... |
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Hg
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Posted : Sep 6, 2006 05:08
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Kzar, please speak for yourself.
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