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Morbidelic
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Posted : Sep 6, 2006 09:18
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Guys IT Just wanted 2 see this reply's from u its make him feell good
but man i think that u hav the right 2 feel what ever u want about taste of music and etc..
but why 2 say things in such ugly way ?? u dont like its shittzzzz for you ?? hoo yeah so eat this shiit alone we dont need to hear it from you
show some respect to other ppl and i mean ppl humans fuck music for minute look again how u wrote the things and think again if it was the smart thing to do ??
iam sure u know its not
but u mister special musician that hav your own music style but no have respect for ppl that making things that make them happy..!!
second : u are moderator u should show ppl how we should be in this forum and how talk and i dont think ppl wanna take from your vibes cause your vibes are full in satanic spirit.
now iam hope u will not delete y mssge cause i answer in the right way with thee right words
hope u willl think about things u shooted in the air.
take it easy IT "moderator"
love and light
morbid.
KEEP IT PSYCHEDELIC amigosss..
  Happy Happy,Joy Joy.
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Catatonic_D.
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Posted : Sep 6, 2006 09:21
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Okay, IT. Let us steer this debate into clearer waters shall we?
You generalize the Brazilian dark trance movement (by generalizing its DJs/Producers) as a joke. Anytime you use harsh words such as these you should expect a harsh reaction and to expect anything less than this is to simply be playing naive.
As far as attacking you is concerned, I am only attacking your words and they are a reflection of a small portion of who you are as a person. It is this small area of your overall psyche that I am out to disprove, discredit, and derail. We all have things we say and do that are inaccurate and sometimes just plain stupid. I do not dislike you. This is impossible since I do not know you but I have read your words and anyone with basic literary skills cannot get around their animosity.
Now, if you would please give those who are keeping tabs on this discussion a better picture of what you consider quality and non-quality dark trance. And for the sake of accuracy let us keep to DJs and producers in Brazil. You say the majority are a joke which precludes that you believe there is a minority that is not a joke. You cannot, in the process of logical thought, have one without the other.
It is wonderful that you recognise these forums as a platform for open discussion and, as is the case with every forum I have visited on the web, there are plenty of muttering trolls about ready to pounce on anything they know or understand nothing about.
I am not out to get you but I am out to protect and represent the musical movement of which I am proudly a part. I will not stand idly by while anyone calls any group of young , hopeful musicians a joke.
Peace,
Catatonic D.
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Hg
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Posted : Sep 7, 2006 05:52
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Konichiwa tomodachi
If you look closer or knew me for a longer period of time you would know that the only thing i'm really against is groupings and labeling of music.
IMHO labels such as dark, porn, minimal, full-on, progressive... are, to some great extent, used as plain products of the road not to take, if you are serious and want to be an artist in this scene, the last thing you should do is follow and copy, by definition.
Using labels as such, lame people find their way up the stage and manager - very well concerned with capitalism, fame, self and second interests. Whereas it's needless to say that true art is the manifestation of authentic, unique spirits/soul/movement/mind... This dark trend too is a disgrace to the scene imo as well as the fool-on, proggy, porn or any mercantilization term (if trance is subjective than thats one more reason not to sustain such bullshit - a few years back similar music was there and the distinction you support didn't exist like it does today ).
Can't be bothered to express myself here for various reasons: obviously I'm not making myself clear to those who are reading (i sure will try to improve on that), plus I have to go on a trip tomorrow and won't be around as often for this conversation, but only to make sure everything is running smoothly on the forum. If you still want to discuss anything with me please PM me and I'll reply asap.
Then again, I just wanted to clarify that when I say label I'm not talking particularly about record labels, but as labeling of taste or qualities of a property of certain sounds (which never were and never will be 100% True).
IMO, labeled people are like thinkers who see a shrink -- everything they stand for after will be influenced by an outside style of thought. These people will always have some backup from their shrink as you will have the backup of people labeled "dark", since you are playing protector of this particular musical movement, which for me is inexistent, in essence - but a creation used to backup a formula. I'm not saying this is good or bad, it's just not original.
I, however, try to protect a much broader, yet true, movement, that goes as far as it can get - as far as being yourself to the end, life without check with original energy -- available for everyone. And as far as real Music is concerned.
..enough is enough
Peace!
Genki
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Bloodclot
Bloodclot
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Posted : Sep 7, 2006 14:34
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Satanic worshippers? Give me a freaking break. IT, you've totally lost the plot. You may meet some freaks who think the devil and satanic stuff is so COOL which gives you that perception but I couldn't give a shit about what samples are used and who believes in what. So, I could assume you're for morning music being termed as 'music', production wise and to the ear - but you can't call people who like 'random noise' at 150 BPM B grade listeners as well as artists who make the music. I love morning, I listen to a whole bunch of Jazz, retro rock to whatever you can think of and I know what kind of music sounds BAD and what really doesn't so I'm confident with my own personal choice. I really can't figure out how you can find every single 'dark' track to be low quality and not listenable. That's non-sense. You can't diss something you don't understand. There is no such VIOLENCE is dark trance either. I don't know where you seem to percieve that one as well.
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crovo
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Sep 7, 2006 20:06
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On 2006-09-07 05:52, IT wrote:
If you look closer or knew me for a longer period of time you would know that the only thing i'm really against is groupings and labeling of music.
IMHO labels such as dark, porn, minimal, full-on, progressive... are, to some great extent, used as plain products of the road not to take, if you are serious and want to be an artist in this scene, the last thing you should do is follow and copy, by definition.
Using labels as such, lame people find their way up the stage and manager - very well concerned with capitalism, fame, self and second interests. Whereas it's needless to say that true art is the manifestation of authentic, unique spirits/soul/movement/mind... This dark trend too is a disgrace to the scene imo as well as the fool-on, proggy, porn or any mercantilization term (if trance is subjective than thats one more reason not to sustain such bullshit - a few years back similar music was there and the distinction you support didn't exist like it does today ).
Can't be bothered to express myself here for various reasons: obviously I'm not making myself clear to those who are reading (i sure will try to improve on that), plus I have to go on a trip tomorrow and won't be around as often for this conversation, but only to make sure everything is running smoothly on the forum. If you still want to discuss anything with me please PM me and I'll reply asap.
Then again, I just wanted to clarify that when I say label I'm not talking particularly about record labels, but as labeling of taste or qualities of a property of certain sounds (which never were and never will be 100% True).
IMO, labeled people are like thinkers who see a shrink -- everything they stand for after will be influenced by an outside style of thought. These people will always have some backup from their shrink as you will have the backup of people labeled "dark", since you are playing protector of this particular musical movement, which for me is inexistent, in essence - but a creation used to backup a formula. I'm not saying this is good or bad, it's just not original.
I, however, try to protect a much broader, yet true, movement, that goes as far as it can get - as far as being yourself to the end, life without check with original energy -- available for everyone. And as far as real Music is concerned.
..enough is enough
Peace!
Genki
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man, it's a style of music like any other. it's simple. in my mind the only "formula" to make dark trance is make it obscure using elements that gives you that sensation. it can be fast or slow. there's a LOT of people who think that a certain project is dark and it's not because it don't have this obscure atmosphere.
this artists you're talking about (don't have innovative ideas, sounds only noizy and not harmonic) are really following this trend, but you can't generalize all the scene. there's a lot of people who know what is all about and is fighting for people reconize their work (producers, dj's, party organizer, labels owners...). so, i only ask you to do not say that everybody in the scene is a joke, even if you really think that. we just don't need to read this.
Obiit - Industrial Ambient
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Dead Tree Productions - Obscure Psychedelic Trance Label
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Uroboros Productions - Psychedelic Progressive/TechTrance Label
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Dennis the menace
DevilsDennis Sparris McHilton
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Posted : Sep 8, 2006 17:21
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On 2006-09-04 22:54, IT wrote:
The music is very bad, amateur and non quality. The people who play and pretend they are artists are nothing but jokes and these parties should never exist, imo.
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Like someone gives a fuck about your opinion, go get layed or something 
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Dennis the menace
DevilsDennis Sparris McHilton
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Posted : Sep 8, 2006 18:14
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sorry... i didnt read the first post
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Vorax
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Posted : Sep 10, 2006 03:35
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Please, do not STEREOTYPE.
"Backup formula" is something used in MORNING also. In MUSIC in general.
Isn´t it?
So, what did you create yourself, IT? Aren´t you influenced by anything?
At least, in general, "Dark" is underground, experimental.
And lately, what is morning for (except really few artists)? What is so ORIGINAL?
I really want to know.
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DeLySiD CoOkInG
Delysid / Wicked Wires
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Posted : Sep 11, 2006 23:12
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wow wow....hmmmm....grrrr....hmmmm....preety hot these topic....good good....lets see....
well, we think that in these topic have been really unrespectfull posts and first of all thats really bad....cause we are here to discuss and to speak our thinks and beleives.....so please moderators and people dont be unrespectfull....
second....our opinion about this topic....is that....yes theres a lot of lack of quality in "dark" trance but sometimes also in morning....all the artists including us started somewhere....and the first productions of all the artists have lack of quality....sooooo......is normal....ok....now these days "dark" trance is a bit more known....ok...but u know these "new" style that is not new at all is meant to be like these a bit....is supossed to have a lack of quality.....at least thats what we think....sometimes more and sometimes less....but theres another kind of "dark" trance...night full on if u wish....that doesnt have any lack of quality at all...as artists we can say we look for good quality and is the most important thing in these music....so artists such as: shift,menog,seroxat,toxic,winter demon,psychotic micro, digital talk, etc....etc....etc....well we dont think they have lack of quality dont they???....and they are "dark" full on night trance right???....
so is like that....we should think better before talking....
and shawnodesse....ur right....brazil and mex are the countrys where the scene is more fucked....and also....there are people from these countrys that are starting to get pissed of about situation....and are trying to make the trance scene alive again....we also want to help in what we can to do it while we are living in brasil.....so hope the things change and poeple start to respect more....
big booms and best vibes for all of ya...
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Guga
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Posted : Sep 11, 2006 23:21
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This topic was not about the dark scene?
anyway,
in my point of view. differents tastes of anything(music, futball, politic,...) can not be discussed*(?)! cuz it never gonna be an agreement.(consenso)
so why discus?
and about the scene,
at least here in POA the dark scene is very very small
most of the ppl dont even know darktrance
i dont blame nobody cuz dark is much more underground and "anti-pop". Thats why a few ppl like it.
Taste its just like ASS, wich one have yours!
*Sorry about the english.im steel learning!=D
Peace freaks!
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anOM
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 04:27
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so much discussion but the point is..
NEVER gonna be like THE old days..!
Free your mind... |
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Spocko
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Posted : Sep 12, 2006 17:46
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We don't want the old days back dude... we want nowadays better... |
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diogo_c
Becoming Intense
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Posted : Sep 13, 2006 03:15
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anOM
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Posted : Sep 13, 2006 03:31
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REALY fucked up! it's a shame..
Namastę!
Free your mind... |
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Guga
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Posted : Sep 13, 2006 18:51
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Now is just wait to see what's gonna happend
stay good... |
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