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COPYING KILLS OUR MUSIC
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Mike A
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Posted : Aug 23, 2003 22:32
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On 2003-08-23 01:41, Drope wrote:
Iīll hv a full open smile on my face when I see a Label saying: We r the first one to hv a computer sharing all our muzik on a filesharing program 24/7... this would make me buy cds from them!!!
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Yea right.....
You already see people claim "why buy when I get for free", so when you give it to them legally free, you want them to buy it?
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KosMos
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Posted : Aug 24, 2003 01:28
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Drope...
this isn't reverse psychology here... 
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Drope
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Posted : Aug 25, 2003 18:41
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 Mike A
Iīm talking about my self... And Iīm talking about low quality compressed stuff... Pp who doesnīt care about music quallity or anything usually donīt know s#%t about music and would be satisfied anyway (with anything)... and buy nothing...
I made my point, I donīt wanna start a fuzz... just think about what I sad about selling cds being the primal source of labels income... There are other ways, creativity is a must...
I trully respect the job of pp who r really delivering quallity music now a days... some of them write in this forum... some labels owners also I guess (or at least their assistant hehehe)
plz keep us moving... |
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Hodi
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Posted : Aug 26, 2003 02:22
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if cd's were 50 nis instead of 74, i would buy much more of them.
u can find "Anything U Want" using the search... |
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deebug
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Posted : Sep 8, 2003 14:47
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hey doodz!
deebug is a new artist - prepare to listen our tunes, we will release on the next compi of star jelly rec.. hope u enjoy us!
i wanted to say sth concerning this copying-prob. the roots of psytrance are uncommercial. the idea to earn money with it was possible the last years but this is a big fake. ok its hard for the ppl who work on it the whole day (im working on my music for 5 years now) but these ppl have to realize that the sound and the parties are only just for fun and not to make money. open a dancefloor-commercial-label and you will get your money, even when also these ppl are crying all the time but driving large cars. i think the scene will change like this: SOME grand labels will survive, the rest becomes "open-source".. producers get nearly nothing, they can have some fun on the stage performing their sound. label-owners can pay for their costs. the effect is: the quality will suffer bcoz of less producers (perhaps) BUT then the community exists of ppl who REALLY HAVE FUN with the music. no "big" names, nearly no "big" labels. i think this is a cool future of this wonderful scene. what do u think?
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Anak
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Posted : Sep 8, 2003 18:55
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On 2003-09-08 14:47, deebug wrote:
the roots of psytrance are uncommercial. the idea to earn money with it was possible the last years but this is a big fake.
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i'm really wondering where some guys took that commercial thing from.
yes its true that it all started without any commercial idea. but also in 98 there were artists/labels that managed to live from their music. and in my eyes, this is nothing commercial, this is pure love for the hobby. so much love that they wouldn't want to do anything besides making/releasing music.
now why do ppl complain about labels/artists thinking commercial? what makes what they do seem so commercial? BECAUSE THEY TRY TO KEEP THEIR LIFE-STANDARD. in times like these, i dont think they want to do MORE money, they want the SAME financial standard they had years before, when everybody bought discs, or better, didnt need them when they didnt like em.
btw, discs only seem expensive since u could also get it for free.
all imho, and not an attack against you deebug at all. good luck with your musical career.
Anakoluth A Pebble in Your Eardrum's Shoe since 2001!
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Drope
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Posted : Sep 8, 2003 19:34
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Anakoluth, CDs ARE expensive, I donīt buy that same standards stuff... They want more money, they donīt want a "humble life that I can make my music".
I remember when there wasnīt vip areas on raves, now a days djs do low rides on helicopters over the floors...
They wanna be mega stars, they wanna mtv specials and stuff, this seems pretty clear to me... Not everyone for sure, but some, quite some.
I am no one to judge, but this reality ensadness me...
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Anak
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Posted : Sep 8, 2003 19:43
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Drope
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Posted : Sep 8, 2003 20:11
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Be as it may Anakoluth, since I understand my self as a person u could copy a tape and hv the music without paying... And everybody did that and nobody use to say anything about it.
I understand pp wanna hv their caviar and chanpagne, their 25 years old whisky and the chemical equivallents... not on my expenses ok?
And then again, THINGS HV CHANGED period...
Those who had the monopoly, do not have it anymore, so they complain, a lot...
The audience is the most disrespected part of the whole trance scene, and itīs what make all of it exist...
Fighting mzc shrng is a lost cause. |
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Anak
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Posted : Sep 9, 2003 22:26
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Drope
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Posted : Sep 9, 2003 22:33
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subconsciousmind
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Posted : Sep 9, 2003 22:57
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About the "music for money" thing
I just can speak out of my own experience as musican... you need money to survive, everybody does...
If you make your money with your music, you make money with you love... maybe ok so far...
But what in a time without inspiration?
What in a time where you have nothing to give?
You will die from hunger?
No, you will do some half-hearted tracks with some nice tricks to sell them, because you need the money...
You can see this everywhere in the music.. the longer a musican is professional the bader becomes his music... in the first 3-5 years it works, than it starts getting worse... In psytrance this is just the case now..
The best thing is to be free, have another job, and only to make music if there is true inspiration around, and not the pressure of "hunger".
About the CDcoping thing.. maybe they are expensive...
Here what I posted somewhere else to:
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I also think the quality of the music should be improved.. I also sometime download a whole album but I have my own devine rule about it:
IF I listen to 2 or more tracks of the downloaded album more then 3 Times, I go and buy it.
This happens almost never, mostly i listen to it twice and never again...
Instead of listening the CD in a store, I listen to them at home.
Believe it or not: I follow that rule..
Also because, if it's REALLY beautifull music I want to have the CD cover and booklet in my hands. doesn't matter what price.
So why should I buy if the music is just like a macdonalds package.. made to listen once or twice? If I just don't like it? If it was cheap ok.
There is just to much music around which is only "ok" or "not bad" or "good on a 50000W PA"..
Mainstream or smallscene, no difference.. why should young people buy roby williams cds if each song sounds like the other?
Or new full on psy if you can hardly distinguish the different artists or tracks?
People have allways been bored by uninovative, ungenuine and soulless music, the CDburner just gave everybody the chance to express it.
It gave us the chance to spend as much as its worth for music who is overused after a month.
Of course all: IMHO
The industry should ask what is the origin of the copying? The burners? It's just like saying the origin of drugadiction are the drugs...
Nonsense, drugs are used because they are needed to make live more.. "more"..
The origin of coping is that people are not willing to pay money for unsatisfying music...
IMHO ;-) Most of my music for you to download at:
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KosMos
Drone
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Posted : Sep 10, 2003 14:46
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Fighting mzc shrng is a lost cause.
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sadly, i totally agree with this...
in search for an answer... |
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mark
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Posted : Sep 11, 2003 15:34
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wow what a lot of posts....
I think it's sad that if things are as they are leave people who love the scene unable to continue in the way the have been and have their dreams fail in the way they saw them happening.
But the spirit is there, we re all capable of creating within our current boundries, as the saying goes....the past is history, the future is a mystery but this moment is a gift which is why it is called the present......
there are thousands of people out there who devote their time and effort to making something of the music and it's not always necessary to involve yourself within the system that predominates in front of you.....i speak with the experience of several fluffy parties in the most beautiful of surroundings in wales here in the uk.....people playing theor own music.....never to be released. on small budgets. Yeah it's not samothraki, boom, voov etc but what the whole thing is about is down to what we make of it.
Money is something that only causes problems, it's something that ties us down and it is not yet possible to rely on others to be responsible for how they manage themselves with relation to money....
We have our own personal choices, it is sad when decent people get messed around tho....good luck to them..
SNAFU.. |
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mark
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Posted : Sep 11, 2003 15:35
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Bim, i respect yourself and love your music, but the music can only die as it is now, i'm not sure it can be killed or be any less so goddam wicked!! SNAFU.. |
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