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COPYING KILLS OUR MUSIC
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Kitnam
Mantik
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Posted : Oct 25, 2002 23:21
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Hey People out there !!
i cant understand why nearly no one
is realy takin care about that problem with
sharing music..
only a few artists and a few labelmanagers
are realy interested in keeping the music alive.
a big part of the scene seems blind to me.
i met people via icq talkin about music and
u can easily guess that most of them are only
interested in trading! bored webusers collecting and sharin..spendin their time with trading
and they feel like kings on earth when they are able to present an mafia-unreleased in their tops.
and this shows also unrespect towards the serios
collectors of unreleased stuff like djs and managers. i have been told storys from labelowners which trade stuff from artists demo-cds. how silly!
i have to say for a few years ago i had also burned cds in my case and also found it to be cool to have a lot of music and blabla..but the circumstances
changed and my feelings say me, its getting dramaticly, when mdma is down and medium only got 50% of last year income (which is ususally deadly for a commercial mission on free market!)
people cut the biosphere between artists, labels, djs and listeners and quality.
my friends and i started a music project togehter
and we are still workin on our debut-album now.
theres a track called FBI (even a sign against the mafia) and only 4 persons got the fullversion: 2 djs 1 artist and 1 labelowner .. and after that a stranger in net tells us, he has a 9minute-fullversion.. whom can i trust again?? tell me pleaz!!
i mean u trader... which maybe not identify himself as a trader... dont be a monkey and learn to say one word: "NO, u cant have this!" |
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Jason (LyTe)
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Oct 26, 2002 02:58
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On 2002-10-25 14:44, DJ Pelon wrote:
lets not forget that only the artists themselves can decide if they wants to put their music on the net or not...boom
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it seems, lately, that many artists seem to lack that choice. ask pixel.
 "We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb
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DJ Pelon(Inpsyde Media)
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Posted : Oct 27, 2002 01:05
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I don't need to ask Pixel about it...I'm sorry for what happend to him...I of course wouldn't even think of stealing music...but I still think it's possible for any artist to keep his traxx off the net if that's what they choose to do...and I also know for a fact that some artists I know had sent their demos to lables...which didn't like it...but had no problem to put it on the net right away without the artist ok...so now it's my turn to ask who can we trust?
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A.Rosengren
Solid Snake
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Posted : Oct 27, 2002 08:08
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many djs who get promos aint late enough to put them online...
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Jason (LyTe)
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Posted : Oct 27, 2002 08:16
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i seriously doubt any self respecting record company would put an artist work online through a File-sharing program, without his say so. in fact, most file sharing programs contain Fake tracks - just take a look at some 50% of the top tens from the previous year and this year, respectfully. that is a lame excuse for an argument - an artist sends a demo, but he's being turned down, so the company figures, "hey, lets put his tracks online"? gimme a break.
[ This Message was edited by: Jason (LyTe) on 2002-10-27 08:16 ] "We Do Not Allways See Things As They Are. We See Things As We Are" -Ancient Chinese Proverb
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Davolo
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Posted : Oct 27, 2002 14:18
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DJ Pelon :
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but I still think it's possible for any artist to keep his traxx off the net if that's what they choose to do
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The only way I can see this happening is that the artist does not hand the music out unless he expects at some time it is going to get passed around. Very sad fact of the matter is your friends may pass it to a friend (that may or may not be known to you) who you would prefer not to have a copy. There had to be a big element of trust in Pixel's case to leave a laptop lying around, the kind you have with a friend.
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an artist sends a demo, but he's being turned down, so the company figures, "hey, lets put his tracks online"? gimme a break.
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I don't think it is that a conscious decision .. I have people that were once close to me who were involved with labels. I have seen the stacks of demos that build up over time. They are gonna get rid of it if they don't like it so they are happy to pass off the stuff that is their trash, if they see any potential they don't pass it on. Also there is an great element of a power trip as Kintam pointed out with the speed that unreelased / fake tracks get into Top 10's. Being the focal point of so much music is a big power trip and it does go to the head and self-indulges the importance to their position..
The whole business of selling records is only new .. not even 100 years old but hypnotic music has occured since a couple of cavemen were banging rocks together.. to making a living from it, not this bullsh*t that happens like Robbie Williams the $35million dollar man (can't remember what it was in pounds) they performed as part of travelling caravan to an audience. Which has been proven that you can make a modest but decent living from regularly performing. I have infinite more respect to the live artist .. especially the guys who go out on a limb and play in places where they may not have an known audience. The net has helped breakdown those barriers which has gotta be assisting the reception and locations they are invited to. |
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KosMos
Drone
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Posted : Oct 27, 2002 16:28
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i suggest we begin a movement.. a movement to plant the idea that this is wrong.. to make the 'finger-pointing' hunt everybody who steals music..
you know.. like all the 'bad' things that most of us have the chance to do in everyday life but don't because we are afraid of either what will happen to us or what people will say about us.. people who steal and trade music through the net cannot be arrested of course so let's make them think that doing so will make them look bad 
someone who doens't believe in religion can say a lot of things about it.. but he doesn't, cause he knows that people will say things about him.. these guys here show no respect towards our 'religion'.. let's make them understand how bad we feel about it..
(i know my example is little weird but that's the best i could think...)
i hope you understand what i'm saying.. and yes i know how difficult this can be cause people who steal music is the majority.. so let's start a revolution!
hmm.. religion...revolution...i start to sound like Karatzaferis (Greek politician..)  
[ This Message was edited by: KosMos on 2002-10-27 16:31 ] in search for an answer... |
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Davolo
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Posted : Oct 28, 2002 04:52
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problem with your idea KosMos is for it to work the has to be a feeling of shame in the offender ..
besides the powers that be are stealing from the consumer .. high taxes on CD's (locally made is the same as import - how does that work? Then import duty on top of that!) .. small % return to the artist whose talents made it possible for the label to profit .. store mark ups - taking advantage of the lazy shopper ..
From start to finish the whole process is flawed and the media sells the lie you can get rich from being a star!
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DJ Pelon(Inpsyde Media)
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Oct 28, 2002 18:45
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Jason:
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an artist sends a demo, but he's being turned down, so the company figures, "hey, lets put his tracks online"? gimme a break.
belive it dude...ask Ben(Namhaj) about it if u want...cause this happend to him...so now he opened his own label...boom
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KosMos
Drone
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Posted : Oct 28, 2002 23:31
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On 2002-10-28 04:52, Davolo wrote:
problem with your idea KosMos is for it to work the has to be a feeling of shame in the offender ..
besides the powers that be are stealing from the consumer .. high taxes on CD's (locally made is the same as import - how does that work? Then import duty on top of that!) .. small % return to the artist whose talents made it possible for the label to profit .. store mark ups - taking advantage of the lazy shopper ..
From start to finish the whole process is flawed and the media sells the lie you can get rich from being a star!
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i guess you are right... there goes for that idea, too.......
[ This Message was edited by: KosMos on 2002-10-28 23:33 ] in search for an answer... |
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full_on
IsraTrance Team
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Posted : Nov 1, 2002 02:45
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I think CD's are very expensive latelly, and here in Brasil people did not have lots of money.
If 95% of the money is in the hands of 1% of the people, so only 1% of the people can buy label CD's, but of this 1% only 1% likes psytrance so only 0,01% can buy label CD's, but of this 0,01% almost 99.9% will buy a GMS CD...
People share lots of stuff round here, including ripped webstreams with very low quality (like the ones from dj Rica Amaral and dj Feio, rave xxxperience I & II, find at www.usinadosom.com.br I already buy their stuff, but it is even difficult to find a good CD to buy).
Also, imported stuff is very expensive!!!
It's very hard to solve these problems...
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maka
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Posted : Nov 4, 2002 13:40
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Artists actually only get a very small % of the sale, I think 5 -10% of the price in a store.
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journey
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Posted : Nov 4, 2002 14:01
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So actually no solution to this problem ?
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technoid
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Posted : Aug 23, 2003 00:04
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Albums are what make money for artists and labels, so here's your problem. What is needed is for a total rethink in the way we as consumers get our music. I think the sad thing about file sharing is that it seems to be hitting those who can't afford it from what you guys say. The music biz needs to catch up with technology. MP3/MD techology needs to be cheaper and more available, and record stores need to carry computers whereby you can go in and download tracks for a cost (v. small) straight to your machine. Can't see this happening though, because people (myself included) like the physicality of buying a 12" or CD.
I think, and would be interested to know if anyone can tell me, maybe a small part of the problem is the availability of CD writers and mixers. DJ's are buying less vinyl and this is the backbone of underground dance labels. People burn the tracks to CD and then use CD mixers. I know CD is a preferred format on the Trance scene because loads of people travel and parties are often in vinyl-unfriendly places, but you need to keep buying the vinyl (or original CD I guess).
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Drope
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Posted : Aug 23, 2003 01:41
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I didn´t read the hole thread, it would take a while... I also believe the artist should hv the final word on putting up things to share or not... And will always like best the artists who do share...
pp actually thrash a dj who plays only released stuff...
So com´ohm, what I understand is that pp are complaining that they can not control the scene anymore...
Why not release stuff on a lowest (48) quality? Why not want pp to hv ur music? Why work pro cartelization of the scene?
free ur mind
free ur mind
free ur mind
FREE UR MUZIK!!!
Everybody knows the money come from the gigs anyway, so come on pp... aren´t we different from all this mess market the music one has become?
The labels gotta find a new way to survive... CD selling can not be the primal source of income? So throw more and better partys... create a surviving fund with a percent of the artists caché... Sell more t-shirts (I really want a USTA one, they are the VERY BEST)... WHATEVER.
Just don´t blame tecnology, wich can not be stoped.
If u do not like change u will like even less obsolescence... (Tom Peters)
The only certainty for now on is that things will keep on changing... Do u wanna be the (someone please help me) REACIONÁRIO RETRÓGRADO (in portuguese I need help translating) that trys to keep stuff as it was just because they are on top?
Where is all the revolutionary spirit of this scene? Aren´t we making the new music? For the new pp? To build the new world? So with all the blablabla the OLD market is a must?
I´m not pro stealing anything, but I´m pro sharing. Yet sharing something that´s not urs is not good!!!
I´ll hv a full open smile on my face when I see a Label saying: We r the first one to hv a computer sharing all our muzik on a filesharing program 24/7... this would make me buy cds from them!!!
Artists, please don´t close ur selves up in a small group... unite ur self to the whole psycommunity in the world...
I believe in ur hearts...
peace and out |
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