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can we all get along and do some multi-styled lineups that unify the trance scene already!??!?
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ocelot
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Posted : May 6, 2005 00:00
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David- i sense some issues in your last post- i've not been to any of your events but i'm sure even the people who bitch are happy that you are doing them- vs NOT doing them. Its a bonus for the scene down there that you are doing them. Not trying to make your already challenging work more difficult.
i just think that:
1)someone will always bitch. don't take it personally- try to get the general info of their complaint, and don't internalize it- just drop it. info obtained, point taken. whether you agree with their point or not doesn't matter...
2) often- Dancers don't give two shits about the stylistics- at least not compared to Dj's- I've seen total morning groove followed by pounding techno in the middle of the day and the crowd just kept dancing and accepted what was happening. DJ's and Producers will bitch and be picky but most people are there to have fun and will try to. This is not to say that a properly designed lineup won't have more FLOW and intention... just that stylistics are not AS bit a deal as we trancers make them into...
I really think the ball is in the more "POP" or Full-On party organizers court. they are aware of other acts besides Astrix, GMS, Infected, etc... but they must be willing to book them. Often times- a percieved "PoP" trance act is just as unknown as a percieved "psychedelic" trance act- its only the perception fostered by the organizer that matters in this case...
(I can't tell you how many email spam i get a day for some cd release by some "POP" style israeli artist i've never heard of... and the email usually insinuates that I'm "supposed" to have heard of (usually) him.)
in any case- conservative bookings just to break even- um thats a losing proposition and says "no vision"- and will flop. get your investment thing out of trance and into something more viable. (general- to be applied to anyone thinking of organizing parties)
Psycosmo- multi-room parties please each group in each room sort of. there is little or no intermingling...generally.
partisan stuff happens.
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David(KIVA)
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On 2005-05-06 00:00, ocelot wrote:
David- i sense some issues in your last post- i've not been to any of your events but i'm sure even the people who bitch are happy that you are doing them- vs NOT doing them. Its a bonus for the scene down there that you are doing them. Not trying to make your already challenging work more difficult.
:::::True, and all we want to do is throw a kick ass party so whining is ..well… it kinda gets me on the boo boo.:::
i just think that:
1)someone will always bitch. don't take it personally- try to get the general info of their complaint, and don't internalize it- just drop it. info obtained, point taken. whether you agree with their point or not doesn't matter...
::::Kind of hard not to though. I know where the scene was before now back in 98 (In LA) and it took a ton of hard work (Trust me the parties are way better now) not to mention all the times my friends lost money. And still they exist keeping the faith and doing the parties. Seeing all the pressure around me makes me think to myself. Some people just can’t appreciate it. They think they paid too much or the deco wasn’t cool enough or the djs sucked or the line up was wack or "I would of put him on at this time" crap. When I see first hand what everyone puts into it and it never gets noticed - THAT gets to me. We could have a great turnout at one party book the wrong person at the next and then people are talking shit. That’s just the way it is and Ill never change my feeling about that. Until people see that the parties happen because someone was willing to risk a shit load of money crossing their fingers in hopes that we could do another one, next month next year until they brake their bank. Kind of hard to just turn my head and look the other way. Thanks for being concerned though.::::
2) often- Dancers don't give two shits about the stylistics- at least not compared to Dj's- I've seen total morning groove followed by pounding techno in the middle of the day and the crowd just kept dancing and accepted what was happening. DJ's and Producers will bitch and be picky but most people are there to have fun and will try to. This is not to say that a properly designed lineup won't have more FLOW and intention... just that stylistics are not AS bit a deal as we trancers make them into...
I really think the ball is in the more "POP" or Full-On party organizers court. they are aware of other acts besides Astrix, GMS, Infected, etc... but they must be willing to book them. Often times- a percieved "PoP" trance act is just as unknown as a percieved "psychedelic" trance act- its only the perception fostered by the organizer that matters in this case...
(I can't tell you how many email spam i get a day for some cd release by some "POP" style israeli artist i've never heard of... and the email usually insinuates that I'm "supposed" to have heard of (usually) him.)
in any case- conservative bookings just to break even- um thats a losing proposition and says "no vision"- and will flop. get your investment thing out of trance and into something more viable. (general- to be applied to anyone thinking of organizing parties)
:::When all the money is on the line NOBODY wants to book an act with no name just to be pc. I don’t think it’s a case of being disillusioned either. I have seen the decisions of who is on the line up be made based on how long the track record, how many albums, who has survived long enough to be noticed. Asking promoters to be willing to book another artist just for the sake of trying to be a multi colored event is like asking a millionaire to be willing to trust you with his or her money. There are plenty of good known acts dark or light that will get the chance. So all hope is not lost, maybe money will be lost but the hope is alive!:::::
Psycosmo- multi-room parties please each group in each room sort of. there is little or no intermingling...generally.
partisan stuff happens.
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Psycosmo
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*********Public Service Anoucement***********
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So remember folks: Listening to the best of each genre is your ticket to a happy, healthy and harmonious life...
Till next time,
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jyoty
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Posted : May 6, 2005 21:54
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to david and lawrence....
definitely not bitching here, but simply throwing it out there to see if the freaks are down! haven't been seeing this sort of progression much at parties in recent times. I am aware of how much money and time, etc. it takes to throw a party - ..but the initial step in this is seeing if the energy is in the right place: I like the idea of uv and i'm wondering what some of the l.a. organisers think of joining forces...(i.e. psytribe) in the future. Is this possible - how is everyone feelin' about it? are we getting along yet ?
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I really feel all this division comes from words. I don't think we disagree on the music but on the words themselves. I have many friends who say they love "morning full on" but when entropy, jellyheadz, penta, ocelot or fractal plays, I see them dancing their asses off ! |
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offthenutboom
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Posted : May 6, 2005 22:45
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Jyoty,
I think it is a matter of finding a place to meet. I mean if all in the US, Mexico and Canada could join in one place ready for a good dance, to get to know each other personally. It seems not that hard for the Freaks to join in one place. I think electronic communications do not make justice to reality. A full menu of music could be presented. There are enough deco artists, musicians and DJs to camp for three days + and dance forever. This should be a trance event that for sure would make ppl smile and create friendships. It would tie in this whole community and would break all kinds of barriers. Burning Man is a chance, but beautiful locations are happening all over the North part of this continent.
If this whole entire forum would get together in one point in space and time, all this fights and opinions would meld in a second as we see each other as we trully are... one community with great power, wisdom to spiral the universe in one big celebration to dance.
Given all of our resources, some ppl have sound, some have deco, we all have all the music, I am sure someone has a place... when are we going to join all together and build something without the need for money to celebrate. And I am not taking about a BOOM, I am not talking about a mega festival. We are not that many really. We have the power within ourselves to build something like this.
We are all in the same boat, searching for the same things and have chosen this path because it has trully spark a revolution within ourselves. Truth is one, trance is one...
My 2 Tane teinis |
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rich
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Posted : May 6, 2005 22:52
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2 Tane teinis = 4 tine tanies  |
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jyoty
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Posted : May 8, 2005 00:45
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the tanies are spreading from coast to coast ! ...
...and with the tanies comes the love ! ...let the revolution begin !
also stay tuned for ocelot's track entitled: tine tanies... it's a ripper ! |
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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : May 9, 2005 07:06
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what is a tine tanies? please share the inside joke! |
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DiMiTry
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I want some tanies!
..it's just another party.. |
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Meta
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I do not have much expirience with the psytrance scene in the U.S. Most of the parties I have attended attend are in India, Europe and Israel. I am however shocked by the amount of fighting that goes on in the L.A. and NYC scenes. Even though all of you promoters and dj's may enjoy different styles, You are all in the same boat, wether you like it or not. You are promoting, or producing a type of music that only 1 out of 1000 people have even heard of in this country, so you are all alike. You have all taken it upon yoursleves to bring the music to the people wether it be throwing the parties or making the music. So if you want change to come to the scene the people involved in this thread are the ones that have to make the moves. I also see allot of shit talking, the posts from trancers I read in the North America section are often very negetive. Perhaps I am out of line in saying all of this, but if all of you would get along, and work together, it could improve the parties, the scene, and the entire community. |
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*christine*
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Posted : May 9, 2005 22:29
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"tine tanies"
from "pootie tang"? Way to be original!
I have been hearing this from the Moes for a while & i love those girls, but maybe I am just not getting it, I just seem to be just getting really annoyed with there constant use of "inner circle" joke on a public forum.
I tried to appreciate, I like Pootie Tang and "tine" is even in my name.....but its just not doing anything for me.
*Christine
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*christine*
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Posted : May 9, 2005 22:50
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Ok now an actual post about the topic.
I am not seeing as much seperation as everyone is talking about.
Many promoters go to great lengths (especially in SF) to book both light and dark psy acts. Not only that, I know many of the promoters on the east and west coast share connections and usually split airfare of the artists working together. Much thought goes into the planning and line-up of many of these parties. Especially what times to put people on for a specific mood.
It has been with my experience. That it is not the promoters, but the individual dj/playing the music at the time & dancers who decide which music to dance their bums off on the dancefloor floor... And if you are an artist or dj that feels you haven't had enough time behind the decks or dancers, or people acting as receptive to your music as you like..... then maybe your just not playing music that has the quality or the feel for dancers desire. And since this is music essentially for your audience.....then....yeah...do I need to say anymore?
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krisamadhi
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Posted : May 10, 2005 00:31
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mubali
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Posted : May 10, 2005 03:24
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Were you eavesdropping on my dreams Kri?? That's good to hear..
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