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can we all get along and do some multi-styled lineups that unify the trance scene already!??!?

ocelot
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Posted : May 4, 2005 23:54
can we all get along and do some multi-styled lineups that unify the trance scene already!??!?

some people only like the trance style they like. some people actually hate other styles of psychedelic trance. i think the vast majority of dancers would consider the stylistic differences to be overblown. They would just like to dance and have a super good vibe etc...

so- organizers- multi-styled lineups-
it will expand the minds of those exposed.
It will bring many fringe sounds into the one family- it will freshen the sounds being played on the main systems.

trancers- consider multi-styles lineups- you may not get ALL music you LOVE ALL THE TIME- but it sure is nice to see all your friends again who you don't see anymore because they are in the "other" camp of trance music...
I for one would rather have 4 hours of music I LOVE on a great sound system than 16 hours of music I LOVE on a half- assed system. I think having two half-assed sound systems each catering to a market niche is silly and defeats the point of coming together to dance. if dancing by ourselves was the point we would.
enough with the goddamned commodity fetish already!
really- these style characteristics are just hilarious- imagine them as emotional poses during sex. would you be with someone who only wanted it "hard" or could only handle it "fluffy" or whatever? how fucking boring can it get!
anyway- i think scene unity is important at this juncture in time and I think the whole extreme polarization is morally reprehensible and indicative of the current state of the world in general:)
compromise and live

mubali
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Posted : May 5, 2005 00:14
I think that we can even take it one step farther too...

Why not have multigenre shows???           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
mist
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Posted : May 5, 2005 00:20
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On 2005-05-05 00:14, mubali wrote:
I think that we can even take it one step farther too...

Why not have multigenre shows???




we have them in texas often enough....

i think it must be nice to have a scene so large where people can afford to be so picky. up until very recently in texas, you were lucky if you got one event a month, if even that.

so, is this phenomina limited to cali, or has anyone else noticed something similar in other parts of the states? the only place i would think with a scene that large would be nyc...

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jyoty


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Posted : May 5, 2005 00:43
this is exactly what we've been needing for a while. reality is, we don't have a big enough scene in sf or anywhere in the us i think, to support these kind of larger scale parties. as it is, no one ever thinks about making money, but rather breaking even. so at the end of all of it, there is nothing left over to contribute to the next party. what if sf and la or sf and portland could join forces and do a 'multi-styled' party that would bring all the freaks together?
i've been dreaming about this for a long time.. oooh what i wouldn't give to hear all my nightime (double r.e.l.) and daytime (shift) favourites in one party !!!! holy shit what a concept ! in many other places in the world this combination would be completely normal.. but here it's a novel idea... strange.
what would it take to make this happen ? i'm in !!
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Bodhi 13:20
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Posted : May 5, 2005 01:18
I think that's kinda what Lawrence Paradigm was going for when he thought of Unified Visions, with the "headliners" in the morning playing morning come-down trance, and a couple of crazy night acts playing the more layered peak night trance playing till at least 5am. I think he actually has a couple of "we just got to the party and we're warming up trance" dj's to play until like 12:30 am, as well as the mixture of nor cal and so cal scenes.

I know that Paradigm talks all kinds of smack about the two or three general types of "night" music (dark russian style, crazy GOW-Azax style, and the stuff that has a mixture of the morning and night sounds), but he did book some night acts at least.

Am I wrong???
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Posted : May 5, 2005 01:20
you know its funny but these parties used to happen all the time...then the scene fell apart and fragmented now everyone has small parties with each of our favorite genres...but this is not a new concept at all..just the way things are at the moment..

the area 101 party that got cancelled was multi genre...
on the flipside:
the other huge issue that happens when you do organzize this kind of event..everyone wants their style to have the "best" slots and what is one mans night music is anothers daytime music..

anyway good dialogue:)

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Posted : May 5, 2005 01:22
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On 2005-05-05 00:43, jyoty wrote:

i've been dreaming about this for a long time.. oooh what i wouldn't give to hear all my nightime (double r.e.l.) and daytime (shift) favourites in one party !!!! holy shit what a concept ! in many other places in the world this combination would be completely normal.. but here it's a novel idea... strange.



totally, in fact, in most places a line-up with a good night act but nothing special in the morning wouldn't be considered complete.
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mist
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Posted : May 5, 2005 01:24
also, if the party runs all night and into the day, you would think that the promoter would want the lineup to flow along with the course of the evening... you don't want to start and end with 150 bpm schizo trance, do you?

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Meta
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Posted : May 5, 2005 01:39
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I know that Paradigm talks all kinds of smack about the two or three general types of "night" music (dark russian style, crazy GOW-Azax style, and the stuff that has a mixture of the morning and night sounds), but he did book some night acts at least.

Am I wrong???



I think you misunderstood his intent from his last thread - he PLAYS that kind of trance in his own sets, if the timeslot fits, but he re-tunes his sets if it's at a different slot. I think the smack he was talking wasn't about the music itself, rather the 'performace standards' of what those artists do when they do a live or DJ set. Then other people discussing that topic derailed it into the standard light vs. dark bullshit. Am I right Lawrence?


Anyway, yeah, looking forward to the LA shinding for sure for all these reasons people listed above...
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mubali
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Posted : May 5, 2005 01:41
The most important part to any party is flow in my opinion, many of the shows that have happened here in California have been a little onesided. A lot of this has to do with politics, people want their favorites to get a good slot despite what kind of music they play. The hardest thing to throwing a party is defending your concept of flow. From my experience, Paradigm has a pretty decent sense of flow mixed with dealing with the politics that you get anytime you deal with a social political group such as event coordination. Last year at Puddles of Sound, the lineup looked like the flow would have been incredible, sure he got a little flak for putting some of the locals on at early timeslots, but sometimes flow isn't just about the music that one plays... it's the energy that the person brings to the decks as well.

We still throw multigenre shows down in Monterey and even though it's occasionally been a little psyheavy, having those other genres in there really allowed more people to really appreciate all the music that was there.

I would love to see a good quality night act accompanied by good night locals at night flowing into good morning acts and locals. I may not be totally down for the morning style, but I think that they should be just as accurately represented as any of the sounds... And while we're at it... More progressive sounding stuff for the early evening and the daytime after 10am!!! Let's have the parties tell a story again instead up seeing how many locals and international artists can we cram on a lineup to draw the most amount of people... Sure it sucks to throw a party and not have anyone show up, but if you build a strong diverse lineup, you will have people that will get turned on to the multiple substyles in an environment that they feel comfortable in.           An Eagle may soar, but Weasels don't get sucked into jet engines.
ocelot
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Posted : May 5, 2005 01:43
well-
i think the timing of lineups is pretty simple.
put the crazy night time music in the night and make it progress across styles and buildup from ambient at sunset or something...
and resist to urge to "bang it hard" all morning and play some fucking morning music in the morning and then all the melodic buffs will be on your side and the hardcore heads will have gotten their fix during the night and everyone at least got a LITTLe of what they wanted.

i thought the point of all this was community.
i can dance to the music I like and I want to hear at home by myself or with my 5 friends who like the same thing ANYTIME- i come together for the community. together we have more power and effect and magic than apart.

splitting the scene is about the most suicidal stupid thing we could do to ourselves.

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i DO think the subtlety and depth of psychedelic trance culture has sustained some damage at the hands of a philistine crude blunt etc mindset....
i don't think this is specifically coming from the industrial side of the scene either- to me i saw this lower vibration coming in the form of the club scene and to me NO bar alcohol party will ever compare to an underground event.
we used to do RITUALS at events and even the most hard core trancer was there in circle holding hands with all the silly hippies there...

i think the full spectrum has been lost- the beauty of ambient music, the richness of some slower melodic stuff, and by melodies i don'e mean some two note riff- i mean a luscious snaky melody with hints of alien origins...
the cosmic power of the night and its soundtrack- the wonders of space, stars, planets, etc in musical form-
the profound beauty of the primal instinct-
the animal unleashed...
and then the glory of the morning...

but to renew this appreciation in the scene we must drop the notion of SIDES and TEAMS and all that and convey our newfound moderation to our cohorts...

we must be leaders and lead by example.
We must be tolerant of what we know is needed for the full color to be there- yet we dont personally like...

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paradigm
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Posted : May 5, 2005 02:01
Bodhi hit the nail on the head. UV is intended to cater to different sounds and styles at different times. Those that will be in attendence, you should notice a distinct progression of sounds thru to the end of the party.....
However, ones view of morning and night can be vastly different.
In a above post i see Shift mentiond as a morning act....

Not in my vision he's not. Shift is a 5 am act.
By the same vision, I would put GOW on around 3am, Hux Flux or similar at 1am, and morning full on like Sirius Isness at sunrise, and super fluff ala Protculture at around noon. Proggy stuff goes before midnight, and after noon when you want to either build energy, or disapate it...

but thats how i see things, you may not see them the same way.

Meta
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Posted : May 5, 2005 02:11
My brain is still confused from Gratitude several years ago... Silicon Sound @ 2am and CPU at sunrise! Woo!

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BrettFromTibet
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Posted : May 5, 2005 02:32
well said Ocelot!

i met you a month ago at an after-party and you struck me like a super cool guy - bummer i couldn't go to the 'main event' and see your trance set. Why didnt I go? Because I didn't trust the people who made the lineup... 3 dark/hardcore acts, and a handful of local Locos who play chainsaws. I knew it would agitate more than inspire me, and it would NOT be a full-spectrum psychedelic adventure - in my weird 'old-fashioned' LSD-tainted conception of that would sound like.

Nothing against people who like dark trance, other than a seemingly collective dominant/millitant intention of the 'dark crowd' to hijack any last possible remnant of GOA / morning sound TOTALLY out of the lineup, and piss all over it.

By firmly emphasizing extremes and differeneces, and not moderate sounds and common grounds - it will hurt the evoloution of psytrance in this country - And you will miss out on partying with a lot of fun and trippy people ....!
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Speaking of full-spectrum parties... check out the Phoneix Festival : Mubali, pr0teus, ECT, Cosmosis, Eat Static, etc.

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paradigm
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Posted : May 5, 2005 02:54
missed Aeons above thread for somereason.

Yes i talk smack, im an opinionated bastard, Ill be the first to admit that, but i dont play favorites Ill talk smack about bad full on, just as ill talk smack about bad dark.
It just seems that that there is more material on one side of this spectrum.
and yes the previous thread was about performance standards, not light vs dark. I like em both, good music is good music, bad is bad, but there are more dark djs that cant beat match than light djs, more dark lives that dont use anything but a laptop vs full on lives from what i have seen.
but thats not this conversation, and that one is dead by several weeks

anyways, everything in its place, just dont try to sell me on Parvati style morning music
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