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Stregone
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 18:31
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On 2008-05-26 17:44, Dennis the menace wrote:
well im not very known as far as i know and i cant remember the last time i got a gig with a demo.. I dont do that much parties either but i still get quite nice bookings 
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On 2008-05-26 19:00, Colin OOOD wrote:
...or if they are friends of yours or will book you to play at their parties.  Nepotism is a good way to make a bit of money but not a good way to make sure you have the best music you can IMO.
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Dennis ok, but you from what I know are pretty skilled and you've got a label... that can help
And Colin of course it can be as you say in many cases, but in my experience, I play for fun, ask nothing or the travel costs and I also don't play very often... and yes it happens often I book friends, but I don't see what's wrong in that... I make partys also for my friends and for me and for everybody, if some friends mix well or have got good music, even if maybe they have not got the same skills as "professional" dj or musician, they can have a lot of vibe and maybe THEY are less interested in money then a professional artist that maybe are doing the same music on and on because it works and need to live on that...
This movement is also supposed to be underground and to develope the psyche and the diversity of thinking and why not let not well known people play if they have got something good to give to the crowd...
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John
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On 2008-06-02 01:14, Psytracked wrote:
DJing is such a simple thing, why do we act like its difficult? in can be taught in a few months. Why do we keep putting talentless egotistic pricks up on a pedestal for the youth to worship?
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Mixing tracks in a moderate manner can be picked up in few months - but thats not quite the same as being a skilled DJ.
Though, for some reason, psy trance has probably the lowest regard for Djs of any form of dance music... I've never understood why.. maybe its it rock heritage creeping through.. who knows... |
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 02:41
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I can have trained people to mix tracks to a more than moderate level within a month. So what over skills are we talking about here?
Read the crowd? oh look they are dancing. Oh look they have stopped dancing? Please you want to give credit to people for being skilled, look to the producers. DJing is not a highly skilled process. Anyone with a love of music can be taught well enough to play better than many who actually are milking money from all the party goers!!!!!
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John
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 21:33
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Do you honestly think that? Im genuinely surprised that someone who goes to parties can think that...
In my experience a skilled DJ that locks into the crowd can get the energy levels going in a way that a producer with a predermined set is never going to be able to...
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Colin OOOD
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Posted : Jun 3, 2008 22:08
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On 2008-06-02 18:31, Stregone wrote:
why not let not well known people play if they have got something good to give to the crowd...
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Great idea and just the attitude we need... I hope you put this into action by booking unknown DJs who you don't also know yourself, but who have sent you absolutely killer demo mixes. You do listen to all the demos people send you, don't you? After all, this is how you will find not well-known DJs who have something good to give to the crowd.
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 4, 2008 00:05
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On 2008-06-03 21:33, John wrote:
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Do you honestly think that? Im genuinely surprised that someone who goes to parties can think that...
In my experience a skilled DJ that locks into the crowd can get the energy levels going in a way that a producer with a predermined set is never going to be able to...
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over 15 years of parties yes I know that to be the way....its not DJ vs act. I have been at so many parties where one person is giving of so much energy that infects everyone....just some nobody on the dance floor....and the DJ acts like its all him/her. For me the essense of the scene is lost where parties are organised around DJ and artist Egos and the moeny and commerce that invites.
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John
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Posted : Jun 4, 2008 00:27
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I think there's two very seperate things being mixed up (pardon the pun) here. Its quite a jump to say that just because a DJ knows what they are doing - you've suddenly got a commercial party. Following that logic - you'd just have people bringing their ipods, plugging them into the mixer and sticking them on random (which may actully be quite psyechdelic now I come to think of it...)
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 4, 2008 00:37
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John I take it you DJ?
Lets not make out we are more superior than we are.
There are skills required but they are not hard to teach, especially to someone who is passionate about music and has a music collection.
DJing is over hyped and the level of attention and money that is given to such a small number at a party is off balance.
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Posted : Jun 4, 2008 02:15
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On 2008-06-04 00:37, Psytracked wrote:
John I take it you DJ?
Lets not make out we are more superior than we are.
There are skills required but they are not hard to teach, especially to someone who is passionate about music and has a music collection.
DJing is over hyped and the level of attention and money that is given to such a small number at a party is off balance.
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No point in making of the DJ a piece of the holy Grail but DJing has its skills and you dont decide that you are a DJ from day to night. And if good skills is something you get with practice, good taste and "reading" a crowd is completly different...moreover i feel that the love for DJing has to be in you. Dont tell me you havent met the guy with the best gear, the "right" records and the connections to play and still his/hers sets are "souless". No touch for it... in opposition you sometimes have someone who doesnt have all that mentioned above and still clicks with the audience and brings it up...
Moreover if you step outside psy-trance to other genres which allow more mixing of the tracks/records you find true gifted people...doing their own music!!
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 4, 2008 02:51
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yeah Ellon your right I have never listened to any other music or been to enough parties or know anything about equipment........and my MA in Music Technology is worth nothing........or that in my youth I was part of the underground culture here in the UK, ....sound system, DJ, pirate radiostation....blah...blah......
I am coming from a lot of of experience and time dedicated to underground music and scene....too much.
I am VERY serious about the bold statements I make.
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Ellon
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Posted : Jun 4, 2008 11:34
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On 2008-06-04 02:51, Psytracked wrote:
yeah Ellon your right I have never listened to any other music or been to enough parties or know anything about equipment........and my MA in Music Technology is worth nothing........or that in my youth I was part of the underground culture here in the UK, ....sound system, DJ, pirate radiostation....blah...blah......
I am coming from a lot of of experience and time dedicated to underground music and scene....too much.
I am VERY serious about the bold statements I make.
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I think you are very serious about your statements but you simply didnt read what i wrote...i dont question your capabilities for whatever!!!!
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Posted : Jun 26, 2008 19:40
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On 2008-06-02 01:14, Psytracked wrote:
DJing is such a simple thing, why do we act like its difficult? in can be taught in a few months. Why do we keep putting talentless egotistic pricks up on a pedestal for the youth to worship?
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You can teach someone to play chess in literally a few minutes.
That, obviously, does not detract at all from the skill of a chess grandmaster.
Your argument fails from its very first premise. |
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coSmiIic r080t0n3
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Posted : Jun 29, 2008 22:56
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On 2008-06-26 19:40, Myrkabah wrote:
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On 2008-06-02 01:14, Psytracked wrote:
DJing is such a simple thing, why do we act like its difficult? in can be taught in a few months. Why do we keep putting talentless egotistic pricks up on a pedestal for the youth to worship?
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You can teach someone to play chess in literally a few minutes.
That, obviously, does not detract at all from the skill of a chess grandmaster.
Your argument fails from its very first premise.
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determination and xperience with all the love n passion for music n all the above good track selection along with practice skills bla bla is all that helps in making a good dj ...
but a good dj was never born a good dj m sure initial mixing sounded like train wrecks ..
and its a obvios thing that practise practise and xperience makes u better .. u dont become a master in one day
attending parties learining form others xchanging techniques also helps a little ..
but then again not everyone can be a good dj weather he gets to play at parties with famous acts or not and not anyone can be taught to be a good dj, may be in a commertial gener but not a party we u have 50 acid heads pounding in front of u
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