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pr0fane
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Posted : May 27, 2008 18:23
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On 2008-05-27 12:14, Remy [POF] wrote:
Getting bookings is not a question of how good your music is or how good you are as a DJ. I know some Dj's that seriously kick ass and have mixed for more then 15years and still they don't have any bookings.
And i know a lot of artists that make the most common un-original, stereo-typed music with production that is very poor, and they get booking after booking after booking....
So what I'm basically saying is that unfortunately it's only a question of knowing how to sell yourself and how sociable your are. Sure their are some promoters that make their artist selection based on the quality of their music. But it's very very fucking rare...
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I partly agree with you… but only partly.
One thing I don't like about the DJ-scene is the "I book you - you book me" deals. I have many times sent promo-material for organizers, where the only way I could get booked for their parties, was if I booked them in return. Since I'm not a partyorganizer, that has certainly made things a lot harder for me personally, and I don't really like the idea that I should get booked for anything else than my capabilities behind the decks. But hey, I'm not complaining - it's just a reality of our scene today.
That being said, I don't think that the fact that you have to promote yourself is only a bad thing. Yes, it's sometimes hard and unrewarding work, and I would rather play at a semi-good party, than doing promotional work, but it also sorts out a lot of people from the process. I know there are great DJ's out there who never really get the chance to play - but seriously - you (and I'm speaking in general terms here, not about you personally Remy) don't show much dedication, if you don't do any work promoting yourself in any way. There's a huge jungle of DJ's out there, so posting a set in a local forum certainly won't land you a booking at BooM right away.
15 years of experience, superior trackselection and skills isn't worth anything if nobody has ever heard you play. Give the organizers a chance to know what you're worth: You need to get out there - you don't need to be a big social partyanimal, but minimal effort would be getting a myspace and/or a personal website, attending some parties and giving the organizers cd's with sets you have recorded, putting some sets online and last but certainly not least - taking the gigs you can get. Of course you shouldn't play for organizers you know that are dodgy, but if you're starting out, also take those opening spots at small parties even though you know beforehand, that you'll only be playing for the organizer, a couple of his friends, his sister and her dog.
In a perfect world all organizers would know the skills and taste of all the DJ's in the world and book accordingly. But it's not a perfect world, so you need to put your best self out there - give people the chance to hear how good you are, and then perhaps some day the gigs will start rolling in.
Only complaining about the state of the scene won't get you anywhere.
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 27, 2008 20:19
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On 2008-05-27 12:14, Remy [POF] wrote:
Getting bookings is not a question of how good your music is or how good you are as a DJ. I know some Dj's that seriously kick ass and have mixed for more then 15years and still they don't have any bookings.
And i know a lot of artists that make the most common un-original, stereo-typed music with production that is very poor, and they get booking after booking after booking....
So what I'm basically saying is that unfortunately it's only a question of knowing how to sell yourself and how sociable your are. Sure their are some promoters that make their artist selection based on the quality of their music. But it's very very fucking rare...
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Yep this is the way of the world it would seem.
How can we get away from it. I was hoping the Psy scene when I got into this style of music would be some how different...but it as bad as the rest.
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 27, 2008 20:23
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Well can we not talk about changing the scene. The rest of the music industry is undergoing major change so can't we? Or are those in the privileged position just going keep them selfs their?.....i wonder?...lol
What we need is a hero. Someone who is big in the scene to have the balls to make the changes that are needed.
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Posted : May 27, 2008 21:18
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psy scene has a big problem with dj's, as so called Live acts dominate bookings, dj's work is totally undervalued.
So in small parties or medium they have 10 "dj's" each one playing an hour and each one plays the same crap, there is no motivation for becoming a real dj in psy scene. Its saturated, full of wannabe kids and no bookings exists.
The other problem is there are very very few clubs that play psy. In other genres is at least feasible to go to a club left a demo maybe in ten club one owner will hear it and maybe you get a gig. Or you can become friend of the dj and share some time on the decks in the afterhours.
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Posted : May 28, 2008 02:14
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If your using Tracktor or other programs like that then sure you can mix the same.. Those programs do it for you.
Actually if your using manual decks then you would be more live than the live artist. Live in the real World means allowing for phuck ups. The only artist that truly plays live are the manual Dj's. Ableton,Cubase and Live allow for phuck ups if the user misuses the mouse. I guess there is skill in using the mouse so maybe I'm wrong. |
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salvia_divinorum
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Posted : May 28, 2008 02:53
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On 2008-05-27 18:23, pr0fane wrote:
That being said, I don't think that the fact that you have to promote yourself is only a bad thing. Yes, it's sometimes hard and unrewarding work, and I would rather play at a semi-good party, than doing promotional work, but it also sorts out a lot of people from the process. I know there are great DJ's out there who never really get the chance to play - but seriously - you (and I'm speaking in general terms here, not about you personally Remy) don't show much dedication, if you don't do any work promoting yourself in any way. There's a huge jungle of DJ's out there, so posting a set in a local forum certainly won't land you a booking at BooM right away.
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even at boom, i know some DJs who will play there only bc they're friends with the organizer.. actually here it's pretty much like that, you only get bookings if you're friends with the organizers, otherwise you can send as much demos as you want and it won't be worth it.. that's why you listen to the same DJs almost every weekend
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Psytracked
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Posted : May 28, 2008 02:56
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Traktor can be mixed manually with out sync. Thats what my mate does. But hes the shy type so he probably will never get a set.
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zafer
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Posted : May 29, 2008 16:35
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traktor is easy of course......my asss.
did u ever ask urself why we use trucks instead of bycicles to transport goods..????? extending possibilities and improve performances maybe...???
i love being sarcastic, sorry just can't resist
the only true thing is : eating is cheating.....cheers mates he he
back to topic: mafia, a bitch girlfriend, huge luck, one of theese added to good skills can help you, forget it without.
or vision: having something to tell, use music to transmit a feeling a message u think is important, find what u think is missing at parties and put it there with ur set, even if u don't get booked you'll have a usefull and good goal and u'll get somewhere, not on stage but....
one thing u must never stop is enlarge ur vocabulary, improve ur synthax. I really like it to make a sofa-set,later during day at work, in the street, on the bus i just enjoy my favourite sound succeeding to my favourite sound ;-)
and remember goa is for the heart, at least for me, to my opinion i'd like to hear more love at the parties, would almost afford to play some pop dance songs that i consider having the right vibe, but i still care for my life.
Anyway play for urself, dare dare to offer your taste
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Fragletrollet
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 15:50
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Braindrop
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Posted : Jun 1, 2008 16:50
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On 2008-06-01 15:50, Fragletrollet wrote:
The djs are practicing the sets long on beforehand, even cutting tracks in audioeditors before playing...
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 . ok . That is sick!!!
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 00:59
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First I gotta say I also saw that phenomenon...
and I don't think it is sick !!!
I do belive that half of a DJ's work is to fit the music to the crowd in "Real-Time"...
But, if you know where the party is going to
and you know the "material" (as for the people, the Dj's b4 you and after)
and you belive your "pre-made set that you mix great and has great tunes in it" can fit well - then why not?
It only shows that you do more at home then just buy/download music and burn it...
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 01:14
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DJing is such a simple thing, why do we act like its difficult? in can be taught in a few months. Why do we keep putting talentless egotistic pricks up on a pedestal for the youth to worship?
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Dennis the menace
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 10:30
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On 2008-06-02 01:14, Psytracked wrote:
DJing is such a simple thing, why do we act like its difficult? in can be taught in a few months. Why do we keep putting talentless egotistic pricks up on a pedestal for the youth to worship?
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Can you share one of your djsets with us?
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Psytracked
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 14:44
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On 2008-06-02 10:30, Dennis the menace wrote:
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On 2008-06-02 01:14, Psytracked wrote:
DJing is such a simple thing, why do we act like its difficult? in can be taught in a few months. Why do we keep putting talentless egotistic pricks up on a pedestal for the youth to worship?
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Can you share one of your djsets with us?
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of course 
no psy though.
Old london techno, so might not be your cup of tea.
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MercuryFall
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Posted : Jun 2, 2008 15:30
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looks like this topic is going a bit out of topic, but anyway:
I used to think that DJ's using ableton or whatever were not 'real' DJs and that it needed to stay organic and manual, as I do my own mixes.
But last week I was shown by a DJ how he uses Ableton. He selects all of his tracks before the set, and do some creative work like copyying some of the interesting rythms in a break to put it later ina passage he finds a bit boring, cutting out the sequences he doesn't like, etc... And I find this very creative! And still, using two audio channels, he does the actual mixing on a regualr mixer.
Personnaly, I think i will continue using CDs and choose my tracks 'on the fly' as i see how the crowd react, as I always did. But I gained respect for those DJs using Ableton in a creative way! |
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