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Morax
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 19:14
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one more thing
i didnt ment to hurt nobody here, and i am sorry if it happened, not in purpose.
i just dissapointed from all this scene and this non-creativity of 90% of all the releases nowadays. |
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 19:28
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Maybe u r right Yuli, Morax ans Styptic, but why do u care then?
Mike just takes his time to write this tutorial, that i think is very useful for people that want to START producing trance. He does not said make all this bass in all ur tracks, but even if people do it is not his fault.
This is a very popular bass, coz the crowed loves it, it works, it makes people dance.
He used the tau becoz he likes the tau, but he didn't say 'people use (always) tau'.
If u want to make basses in another way then make them. Where is the problem with it?
Peace brothers and respect out to u 
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 19:33
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There is no problem with it at all.
The only thing is a drawback from making music a registered tool that u need to use certain rules to get to certain sound.
Since in our scene this is exactly the desease, I guess that there is a say on this issue except - Oh Mike thanks a lot - he definitely did a good thing by sharing his knowledge but this is the wrong way imo.
The right way is maybe going to college to study sound ??
spend some 2 years in doing it?
knowing that 55hz is A and 43hz is F# and why is important?
u know shit like this
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 19:59
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Is it really important?
I don't think so.
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zebra-n
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 21:08
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pfew... it starts to look a bit like a famous msgboard i know... please people, respect what other people are doing, or trying to do, and if you disagree or have a better idea, ventilate it, don't come with the "i know it better, and it's all crap" attitude. i do not think that mike (who i don't know) had another purpose then explaining a simple kick and bassline to people who do not have the experience that other people have... try to help out, just like mike is doing. you want nice (different) music, then better start sharing your knowledge a bit, because that's the way works in my opinion...
don't be offended, just try to share and help each other..
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 21:53
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On 2005-01-17 19:59, EYB wrote:
Is it really important?
I don't think so.
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Well actually it is. And the fact u don't think so shows that whats really important is killa bassline and great kick.
What is very important imo is the fact that it is much more interesting and deep thing also for the future to LEARN the way u make the sound, since full on trance is probably the only genre of music in the world that this copying would make the work done. If u want to move on later on to some other genre u wont find tutorials about quicky Kik basses for the masses. That is why u need to know that A = 55hz
And by the way u know why is it important?
Because certain producer may decide to make his bass line in D#, but if he knew previously, that D# of the low octave is less than 40hz then he would know that he might get into too much sub bass trouble or the output might come out as a 'muddy mix'. On the other hand if he would rise an octave, then the main frequency of the note D# would be around 76hz and then it might be a little too high for a bassline since there would be not enough deepness in this bass.
That is why u need to know that ( and I guess there are more reasons btw ) A man with a "master plan" is often a woman |
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zebra-n
Zebra-N
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 22:53
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good... you learn fast.. don't get me wrong, i'm really NOT into the GMS clones music, i like kewl (deep) basslines too and although i dont know anything bout frequencies etc. i also try to find a good note for my bassline...check this : http://www.phys.unsw.edu.au/music/note/
it gives you the note for every frequency u enter...
what i would be interested in is how to make a really fat bass sound, so, where to start with EQ, how to apply compression etc. i dont make music for such a long time yet, and everyone tells me something different... perhaps someone could share his ideas about that... since we all want killer bass and kick..hehe |
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 22:56
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@Yuli i don't care as long it sounds fat and twisted
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br0d
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 22:59
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Yeah, and 90% of the people who pick up an acoustic guitar never get beyond basic C-E-G chord progressions either. But what's the point? They're still having fun. All music is ultimately folk music, music of the people.
Those who work hard to distinguish themselves will be distinguished. Those who dabble will have fun dabbling. Only those who reside in the uncertain middle will really bother to antagonize either of the above two camps, by transferring their uncertainty onto them. A conflicted human is an ugly sight.
Trance is "pop" music. All "pop" music is about the hybridization of prior influences. Palatability does not exist in a vacuum. All influences have style, all styles have fundamentals or techniques, and one of psy's is the infamous machine gun bassline. It's prevalent because of its relation to brainwave entrainment, its presence is not arbitrary, it has come to pass as a result of the very resonance of the planet. If you don't like it, hey, start something new. Get into "IDM" or something pretentious like that. Have a better idea? Release it. If you're on this board, that means you're a musician. You have the shiny new shovel in your hand, and yet you complain about the lack of broken ground.
Alternately, if you only have an interest in complaining and making fine, cynical distinctions about what is true trance and what is whore trance, if you believe that your contempt for the "full-on" genre makes you a connoisseur of fine trance, well, pipe up and at least be honest about it and admit that your role in life is that of "critic" and not "artist." Because I've never met a successful artist who ruled things out.
Personally, I dig the hard hitting full on music, and I find the glare coming off some of the shiny shovels here to be quite blinding. The ground calls. |
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EYB
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Posted : Jan 17, 2005 23:07
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yeah right!
But psytrance isn't pop, not yet
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Mike A
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 03:26
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Ok, I won't make any more tutorials.
Newbies, make your music alone. Open cubase and click on random stuff until you get it done.
Have a nice day.
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thockin
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 04:31
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That sucks, guys.
Mike, I may not be the masses, but I really appreciate your great tutorial.
Thanks
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dNETv2
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 05:31
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Well Mike... 'Appreciate your effort. I'll play devils advocate here and hope that the "Newbies" will learn from this, and then break the rules.
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Rusty O'Hara
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 07:02
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You have the shiny new shovel in your hand, and yet you complain about the lack of broken ground. |
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I love the imagery here.... |
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Rusty O'Hara
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Posted : Jan 18, 2005 07:19
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@MikeA
Personally, I'd say thanks for the tutorial.
Not something I used, but I say thanks for your effort and time and sharing knowledge with people.
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