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slomi
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Posted : Jan 23, 2005 17:37
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On 2005-01-17 18:07, Yuli wrote:
Tau Pro in my opinion is a very lame bass synthesizer, it is totally not stable with it's sound and either it's a 'Toy Bass' in comparison to real bass ( that is my opinion ofcourse )
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you seems to be smart but eventually u become smartass <no offence> than smart if u don't tell us what u use and how u do it or at last say some wrods that will help and not confuse ppl.
so please
any instruction by mr Yuli to make some quality bass sound?
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 23, 2005 17:50
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On 2005-01-23 04:13, jhanna wrote:
ha .. i cant believe that so many people get pissed off at a cool thing that mike just did. to me it just shows how scared some people are of new people getting ahead of them... |
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Yeah right.
And to all others that are bewildered by a savage artists that play know 'em all and want to keep the knowledge from being spread etc..
I was in this forum since it's day one ( before u all I guess ) and since day one I helped ppl in this part of the forum, even was the moderator of this forum till I had it. It's true that lately I am less in here but still pay a visit from time to time. I surely don't look for thanks, but hey to come with such bunch of horse shit? comon ppl
I am tutoring more than a few students myself. And I think I do a good job, and I take it very seriously, and yeah I do believe I have certain experience to talk from - so I shared my point of view. Most of those of u that disagree with me, will probably agree with me in time, but to come and say that I am moved from the 'dark side' to talk shit about a good person out of ill meanings... Guys I have to admit that that is rather low.
Every one entitled to an opinion, even if he is 1 against all, and I do believe more than a few ppl that I respect a lot will agree with my point of view here.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 23, 2005 17:57
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any instruction by mr Yuli to make some quality bass sound? |
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I most of time use sampler for my basslines - that means many times my work is samplebased, if not, then I use Trilogy and I like Moog basslines quite a lot.
I make Electronic music for more than 8 years now. And I feel that everytime I learn something new, out of experimenting and finding new stuff. I can say that for sure the sound getting better out of sitting and digging and trying. I have no tutorial for that - I am really sorry. It is personal. Just sit and dig.
And if u will find 3 of my tracks that used the same kick and bass combo u can call me a donkey.
Now I dont really understand what makes me a smartass, but if this list that I gave u makes u feel better, it's cool
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slomi
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Posted : Jan 23, 2005 18:11
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On 2005-01-23 17:57, Yuli wrote:
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any instruction by mr Yuli to make some quality bass sound? |
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I most of time use sampler for my basslines - that means many times my work is samplebased, if not, then I use Trilogy and I like Moog basslines quite a lot.
I make Electronic music for more than 8 years now. And I feel that everytime I learn something new, out of experimenting and finding new stuff. I can say that for sure the sound getting better out of sitting and digging and trying. I have no tutorial for that - I am really sorry. It is personal. Just sit and dig.
And if u will find 3 of my tracks that used the same kick and bass combo u can call me a donkey.
Now I dont really understand what makes me a smartass, but if this list that I gave u makes u feel better, it's cool
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I find trilogy bad with the sequencers (cubase logic fruity all of them), it has a strange delay. *Annoying!!!
about samplers
well this have good side and BAD side.
good> must stable sound.
bad > u loss many possibilities that synth can give u to make it more creative basslive (automation) speciall modulations...etc.
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 23, 2005 18:20
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well this have good side and BAD side.
good> must stable sound.
bad > u loss many possibilities that synth can give u to make it more creative basslive (automation) speciall modulations...etc. |
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If u understand how synth works, and not only playing with knobs, u muxt know that almost EVERY function in there u can do with insert / send effects and with working on the wave itself. The fact I use a sample doesnt say I dont bring it to be what I need it to be.
And about Trilogy, it has quite a load of really good quality original analog sounds. True as a synth it's not a biggie, but some of those samples are just too good to be true, again, u need time and sit down and dig a bit. Ofcourse much easier to use Tau Pro or VB1 and your work is dun in 5 minutes
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Triplex
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Posted : Jan 23, 2005 18:29
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i want to have to have total control over the bass, so i sample it as well. i do not use a sampler, i just use it as raw audio inside an audio track! 
works for me
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NikC
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Posted : Jan 23, 2005 19:16
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Agree that Trilogy has some incredibly nice samples... but IMO it takes much more work to get them to sound "right" particularly with more full on 16th basslines...
Tau Pro is fast to use and has good results, but recently i've found Albino to have REALLY nice results, particularly with more liquid, softer basses...
Bass as raw audio is IMO the only way to go...
full control = better track
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Yuli
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Posted : Jan 23, 2005 19:32
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On 2005-01-23 18:29, Triplex wrote:
i want to have to have total control over the bass, so i sample it as well. i do not use a sampler, i just use it as raw audio inside an audio track!
works for me
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Yo man I dig ya, I do that too if I choose a one note bassline with the same length. If I have note changes and also I can see that I might make some bending and stuff during the track I keep it on the sampler, till no more to do with it left, and then yeah, I export some 8 bars samples and fix all needed to be fixed
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NikC
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Posted : Jan 23, 2005 19:38
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If I have note changes and also I can see that I might make some bending and stuff during the track I keep it on the sampler, till no more to do with it left, and then yeah, I export some 8 bars samples and fix all needed to be fixed
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exactly!
Still, if you keep the original midi instrument patch you used for your bass, you can still make any changes you want later on and bounce them into your other audio track/sampler... they'll have the same processing as the new audio sample as soon as they are in the same track... so you can make melodic changes whenever
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slomi
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Posted : Jan 23, 2005 19:48
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that annoying basssss!!!!!!!!
too much work on it
if u find the results not so good as u want it, it make u hate music!
i want to play melodies and dig other special sounds
the bass is annoying the inspiration because it almost have to go by rules and u must learn the rules (which is okay and cool to learn the rules)but u have to get some monster bass synth as well and must of the time working on bass is wasted time with no result, sometimes u get even more cunfused after sitting to much on the bass sound!
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Triplex
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Posted : Jan 23, 2005 23:28
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slomi : bass is good man! do not hate it. its the power of the music. make a track without bass and nobody is gonna dance.
being frustrated when doing music is a common and well known situation but always leads to good things later. the rewards are big. pain lasts for a momment, knowledge stays forever.
and as yumade said once....
....bass is base!
peace
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slomi
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 15:02
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On 2005-01-23 23:28, Triplex wrote:
slomi : bass is good man! do not hate it. its the power of the music. make a track without bass and nobody is gonna dance.
being frustrated when doing music is a common and well known situation but always leads to good things later. the rewards are big. pain lasts for a momment, knowledge stays forever.
and as yumade said once....
....bass is base!
peace
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I hate it because it's the most complex thing to do (if u want it sounds really good). this is annoying and sometimes u take too much attention on the bass sound u forget about the music itself. this is why it make me angry!
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NikC
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 16:03
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Slomi... think about it... once you get the bass to sound good then you never need to worry about it again, and you can focus entirely on your music. A bad bass can ruin a track even though the melodies are great.
I know exactly how you feel, it is frustrating to spend so much time on one thing, but once its done it is a huge relief, so keep working and keep tweaking and eventually the frustration will lead to a great tune!
You shouldn't hate it because its complex, you should realise how much you learn through the hours of tweaking... you learn alot about all production from just the bass. Try to see it from another angle: it is one hurdle you have to get over. I do, however, understand your anger completely, its taken me a long time to get a bass sound which even sounds o.k... (not as good as i want it to though)but now i can only improve, I can then take what i learn and make a better bassline in a new track and so on... and eventually it will sit right... it is the same with all artists - you need to learn how to mix your pigments to paint, you need to know what words mean to write poetry, and you need to learn how to carve to create statues, these are all difficult and complex tasks which could make you forget about the art itself, but they are still overcome!
hope you understand what i mean
good luck and
Peace!
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Kaz
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 17:43
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On 2005-01-24 15:02, slomi wrote:
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On 2005-01-23 23:28, Triplex wrote:
slomi : bass is good man! do not hate it. its the power of the music. make a track without bass and nobody is gonna dance.
being frustrated when doing music is a common and well known situation but always leads to good things later. the rewards are big. pain lasts for a momment, knowledge stays forever.
and as yumade said once....
....bass is base!
peace
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I hate it because it's the most complex thing to do (if u want it sounds really good). this is annoying and sometimes u take too much attention on the bass sound u forget about the music itself. this is why it make me angry!
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Triplex: Hallucinogen - Angelic Particles has no real bassline and I've seen people not just dance to this track but dance to it harder than most tracks out there.
Slomi: it's the most complex thing only if you want to have a VERY specific sound. I find the bassline to be a very simple thing to do, if you EQ your track according to it, you don't have to aim it specifically at anything (again, Hallucinogen - Angelic Particles has bass in 2-3 different elements and no "real" bassline and still kicks ass).
Most important production rule: if it sounds good to you than it is good. People are ignoring this thuroughly here.
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DJ Buju
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Posted : Jan 24, 2005 19:13
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On 2005-01-24 17:43, kaz wrote:
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On 2005-01-24 15:02, slomi wrote:
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On 2005-01-23 23:28, Triplex wrote:
slomi : bass is good man! do not hate it. its the power of the music. make a track without bass and nobody is gonna dance.
being frustrated when doing music is a common and well known situation but always leads to good things later. the rewards are big. pain lasts for a momment, knowledge stays forever.
and as yumade said once....
....bass is base!
peace
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I hate it because it's the most complex thing to do (if u want it sounds really good). this is annoying and sometimes u take too much attention on the bass sound u forget about the music itself. this is why it make me angry!
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Triplex: Hallucinogen - Angelic Particles has no real bassline and I've seen people not just dance to this track but dance to it harder than most tracks out there.
Slomi: it's the most complex thing only if you want to have a VERY specific sound. I find the bassline to be a very simple thing to do, if you EQ your track according to it, you don't have to aim it specifically at anything (again, Hallucinogen - Angelic Particles has bass in 2-3 different elements and no "real" bassline and still kicks ass).
Most important production rule: if it sounds good to you than it is good. People are ignoring this thuroughly here.
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Kaz- even before a classic like hallucinogen- Angelic Particles people made music with no bass but what ever you say people don't grove without a bass.
In a real band ask every member of the band and they will tell you that what gets the crowd grooving is the drumer and the bassist.
and thats a fact. (Pino Paladino once said that, Steve gaad as confirmed it while both having a laugh in the studio... )
Now from reading stuff you right on different subjects, how you say it... you know your shit and thats another fact.
But.... there are some structures we need to follow when making a track/recored.
ofcourse when it sounds good to us then it's the most important thing but we need to think what will sound good to others and how will they precive best what we hear.
no you wouldn't go putting your bass on panned to the left and your kick panned to the right no would you?
or maybe you would cause you think it sounds good?!
keep the good work flowing... 
Bom BOm
BUju
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