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rachel
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 20:18
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ROOTS OF TRANCE ... i.e. Goa ... and that's where you pulled your nasty comment from - roots of trance having been developed in the goa scene years ago. That is where your "praise Shiva' i.e., BOOM SHANKAR or BOM BHOLENATH came from....
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Pavel
Troll
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 20:22
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Whatever, learn to quote, it's getting too hard for me what the hell are you talking about.
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scobbah
Kiriyama
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 20:23
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On 2006-12-29 20:08, Pavel wrote:
It didn't change shit cause USA still waging useless wars around the world with the so called baby boomers at helm. I believe Bill Clinton passed the acid test as well. Didn't stop him from managing a war on Yugoslavia.
Get a grip people, nothing changes. Human beings are still the same. We still eat, shit and fight with our neighbors. The minority can still eat whatever mind expanding drugs they wish to take, it won't change anything in the long run. |
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It did mean something, as the U.S. withdrew from Vietnam. Oh I wonder why can't we push things through today like the people of the 60s did back then? Furthermore, I never claimed acid to be a solution to wars, did I? I just brought up the big acid test as a proof of how acid was ingested and used during very serious circumstances. I won't venture too deep into why Clinton wasn't stopped when it came to the intervention of former Yugoslavia, but one thing is for sure, and that is that very few raised their opinions against that war, which is a fact that stands whether one's liking/disliking that particular intervention or not.
I'm sorry, but this smells like forum trolling to me...
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vishwaatmaaa
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 20:34
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Its hinduism ..like Judaism you moron....
I am not a Jew but I respect other religions to know what to say when I bring them up in the conversations.... its ' Praise Lord Shiva' not Praise the shiva...(get your grammar correct if you bring up other religions) and IF you say "BOOM" -that came from India, where you can find the early roots of trance...
NO one is promoting any religion but if you bring it up...do it with respect..
BoM
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 20:35
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On 2006-12-29 20:34, vishwaatmaaa wrote:
Its hinduism ..like Judaism you moron....
I am not a Jew but I respect other religions to know what to say when I bring them up in the conversations.... its ' Praise Lord Shiva' not Praise the shiva...(get your grammar correct if you bring up other religions) and IF you say "BOOM" -that came from India, where you can find the early roots of trance...
NO one is promoting any religion but if you bring it up...do it with respect..
BoM
heheh now I know why you have that signature...explains everything
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Another satisfied customer.
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vishwaatmaaa
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 20:35
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Don't debate if you can't keep up with the conversation..... |
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 20:46
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On 2006-12-29 20:35, vishwaatmaaa wrote:
Don't debate if you can't keep up with the conversation.....
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You win, I lose. Now go and play some 155BPM spiritual music.
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TrippyJohnny
Inactive User
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 20:52
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Without the 60's generation and the music made at that time I doubt the world would be the same today not to forget the music. I do not believe trance, house, disco and psytrance etc. would ever have found it's life without the 60's generation and music making. It would still be all Rock'n'Roll USA style.
So the 60's generation did indeed change a lot. Not only musicwise but also political. They were the first generation to stand up against Authorities which actually ended the Vietnam War just to name an example.
As going back on topic.
If you do not like political or whatever messages in music. Do not buy it or listen to it. Personally I feel there's way too little messages in this scenes music and way too little opinions among the people in the scene. It's every artist right to have an opinion and to commnicate that opinion with his/her music. I would even go so far to say as an artist it's an obligation to say what you think IF you got something on your heart and if you think by communication your point or "message" it could make other people think too.
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rachel
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 20:55
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On 2006-12-29 20:23, scobbah wrote:
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On 2006-12-29 20:08, Pavel wrote:
It didn't change shit cause USA still waging useless wars around the world with the so called baby boomers at helm. I believe Bill Clinton passed the acid test as well. Didn't stop him from managing a war on Yugoslavia.
Get a grip people, nothing changes. Human beings are still the same. We still eat, shit and fight with our neighbors. The minority can still eat whatever mind expanding drugs they wish to take, it won't change anything in the long run. |
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It did mean something, as the U.S. withdrew from Vietnam. Oh I wonder why can't we push things through today like the people of the 60s did back then? Furthermore, I never claimed acid to be a solution to wars, did I? I just brought up the big acid test as a proof of how acid was ingested and used during very serious circumstances. I won't venture too deep into why Clinton wasn't stopped when it came to the intervention of former Yugoslavia, but one thing is for sure, and that is that very few raised their opinions against that war, which is a fact that stands whether one's liking/disliking that particular intervention or not.
I'm sorry, but this smells like forum trolling to me...
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As usual, Kiri's voice of reason.
Just because the 1960s' revolution came to an end when the mainstream found ways to infiltrate - and when speed replaced LSD on the street - doesn't mean that the revolution didn't happen.
However depressing i find comments like those of Pavel and others, I am always comforted by this thought::
The 60s developed out of the complacency and the materialism of the 1950s in the US. If we look around now, certainly we are in the same shape as 50s US - if not worse - as pavel's and others' posts demonstrate. People will revolt just as they did in the 1960s again, because fundamentally, most humans don't want to live like cows, citing God and Church and so on instead of looking inward. Certainly, many fear complete revolution; but we do need the underground to keep feeding our souls, and feeding bits into the mainstream culture.
So, my friends, sing HALLELUJAH - the 60s are coming!!! Kiryama, Vegetal, Shiva Joerg et al::: Please keep making music. Our souls need it. The revolution is coming....again!!! 
OOOOOPPPPSSSS so sorry for writing a MESSAGE here....
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vegetal
Vegetal/Peacespect
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 21:01
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First of all i have to say,
Thank god isratrance only exists in the virtual world otherwise this would be the new North Korea. 
I donno where to start don´t know where to end but i do know that my music is one of many ways i like to express myself, who i am, where i come from, what i think and what i believe in.
And as long as im allowed my "freedom of speech" i will continue to use it.
Just to loan a few words from Jamey Jasta:
I Promise To Myself, To Never Be My Own Defeatist.
Demand recognition for the Armenian genocide 1915
http://www.devilsmindrecords.org/
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Pavel
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 21:05
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On 2006-12-29 21:01, vegetal wrote:
Thank god isratrance only exists in the virtual world otherwise this would be the new North Korea.
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TrippyJohnny
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 21:10
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One can also revolt without wanting to make the world into a "spiritual" - "Bom Shankar we have seen the light" world.
Just as I agree it's a bit sad to see the ones here that "slaughter" the idea of music with a message I also find it a bit sad to see the other side so focused on the "let's look inside ourself" retorik as if it's the only "real" thing in life and the only thing this scene need.
Both sides have just an equal "responsabiliy" to why this scene is so messed up and a laughingstock around other scenes that have managed to unite instead off figthing all the time.
What this scene should do Instead of dividing and fighting is to focus on the many serious problems the scene have to deal with and focus on the music and deal with the issues regarding a huge amount of dodgy organizers, copy & paste music, way too many amature bedroomlabels and artists, exploitation of artists and DJ's that force them to play for free and even pay their own travel expenses so the one or 2 big stars in a party can get their 80% of the artist/DJ budget etc. etc.
That is what this scene truely need to focus on in order to survice. Otherwise it's soon down the drain. And it's going quite fast.
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Yidam
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 21:54
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The most basic premise behind 'Boom Shankar' is that you intend to sanctify the chillum by sharing it with all present. Identify everyone around you as 'Baba'. Whether they be male or female, newbiewithglowstcks or fullpowerdancefloordreadlockedhippie, smoker or non-smoker. The offer must be made. THAT is the root of trance... share your smoke. Things fall into place with divine intervention from that step onwards.
Just for the record .... I cant say 'Boom Shankar' aloud anymore. Its not a decision but a feeling... the more I understand its meaning the further I am away from realising it in this neo-society. But forget that now... its too old to be realised in this overly populated under supplied world.... just share the smoke without too much talking. |
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TrippyJohnny
Inactive User
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 22:11
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On 2006-12-29 21:54, Yidam wrote:
THAT is the root of trance...
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Just for the record. There is no "root of trance" except one thing - DANCING!
The rest incl. the adoptation of Indian religious symbols and frazes is just something way too many people got no clue about in the first place but think is sooooo cool to use it. That's why you see so many people running around in batik clothes trying to behave as "true" hippies and using various "cool" frazes and words in order to fit in. I have said it probably way too many times before. But the scene and it's many cliche's are nothing but Fashion and "we need to belong in a group of sheep's or be outcasts" created by people who claim they are the "true" innovators of psytrance.
Personally I am very tired of it and this is one of many other reasons why I gave up making music and perform in this scene. It frankly pissed me off too much to have the usual 10 - 20 people in a party approaching me while playing with the "Bom shankar wanna smoke my chillum namaste and ganesh's peace with you?" and when I polite declined i was looked upon as a alien who was out of his element.
So much for open minded people. Yes as long as you are like them (sheeps) they are very openminded. The minute you do not share their ideas it's the other way around.
I am only focusing on one group of people as an example. I do not think I should get started about other groups in the scene at this moment. It will only carse a war in this forum. No one need that.
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Yidam
IsraTrance Full Member
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 22:30
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When did sharing become religious?
"Just for the record. There is no "root of trance" except one thing - DANCING!"
Hmmm .. I've been pondering that for a while. The psychedelic dancefloor has become a really weird place. The music takes so much time to get accustomed to, that its a while before you can smile in the face of chainsaws and screams. Its great fun when everyone can though.
Dancing with the people, dancing with yourself. Which is it?
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