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Acidhive
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 15:06
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I'm one of those people that don't like messages in psytrance. Psytrance to me is about fun, getting away from real life for a brief period of time. I don't want to be reminded of what's wrong with the real world in psytrance. Furthermore, these artists mostly have a point of view I don't agree with either, but let's not get into that. Spiritual enlightenment ok, like in the old days with artists like Chi-a.d. etc. but artists like Vegetal have a message that I don't agree with and one I don't want to hear in psytrance. And contemplate this: Psytrance and trance in general is based around a partying culture and is about fun foremost. Or am I missing something here? Are there people out there partying and thinking of world problems at the same time? Anyway, this culture more based around fun reflects in most psytrance and trance producers, and let's be glad for that. I'm aware of the world and the problem we live with everyday without reminders. You only have to listen to the news, read papers, look around you. If you need psytrance to fight for rights, well sorry, but this scene is underground and won't reach a lot of people, so what's the point? No, if you really want to make a difference, then actually DO something. Go to Africa yourself, help people there, but don't go hiding around artists like Vegetal and think it's gonna be alright because you listen to them and are making a statement. Ask Joe Average from around the block who Peacesect, Goa Gil or Vegetal is and they'll say: Sorry, who??
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lokus
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 15:18
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On 2006-12-29 15:06, Acidhive wrote:
I'm one of those people that don't like messages in psytrance. Psytrance to me is about fun, getting away from real life for a brief period of time. I don't want to be reminded of what's wrong with the real world in psytrance. Furthermore, these artists mostly have a point of view I don't agree with either, but let's not get into that. Spiritual enlightenment ok, like in the old days with artists like Chi-a.d. etc. but artists like Vegetal have a message that I don't agree with and one I don't want to hear in psytrance. And contemplate this: Psytrance and trance in general is based around a partying culture and is about fun foremost. Or am I missing something here? Are there people out there partying and thinking of world problems at the same time? Anyway, this culture more based around fun reflects in most psytrance and trance producers, and let's be glad for that. I'm aware of the world and the problem we live with everyday without reminders. You only have to listen to the news, read papers, look around you. If you need psytrance to fight for rights, well sorry, but this scene is underground and won't reach a lot of people, so what's the point? No, if you really want to make a difference, then actually DO something. Go to Africa yourself, help people there, but don't go hiding around artists like Vegetal and think it's gonna be alright because you listen to them and are making a statement. Ask Joe Average from around the block who Peacesect, Goa Gil or Vegetal is and they'll say: Sorry, who??
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nice one man,
i much appreciate your posts.
cheers
- last possible solution
- trick music
- ambivalent records
myspace.com/lokuz
ps: y trance?
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Pavel
Troll
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 16:03
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On 2006-12-29 15:06, Acidhive wrote:
I'm one of those people that don't like messages in psytrance. Psytrance to me is about fun, getting away from real life for a brief period of time. I don't want to be reminded of what's wrong with the real world in psytrance. Furthermore, these artists mostly have a point of view I don't agree with either, but let's not get into that. Spiritual enlightenment ok, like in the old days with artists like Chi-a.d. etc. but artists like Vegetal have a message that I don't agree with and one I don't want to hear in psytrance. And contemplate this: Psytrance and trance in general is based around a partying culture and is about fun foremost. Or am I missing something here? Are there people out there partying and thinking of world problems at the same time? Anyway, this culture more based around fun reflects in most psytrance and trance producers, and let's be glad for that. I'm aware of the world and the problem we live with everyday without reminders. You only have to listen to the news, read papers, look around you. If you need psytrance to fight for rights, well sorry, but this scene is underground and won't reach a lot of people, so what's the point? No, if you really want to make a difference, then actually DO something. Go to Africa yourself, help people there, but don't go hiding around artists like Vegetal and think it's gonna be alright because you listen to them and are making a statement. Ask Joe Average from around the block who Peacesect, Goa Gil or Vegetal is and they'll say: Sorry, who??
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So true...
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Dogon
IsraTrance Junior Member
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 16:14
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@Acidhive: 100% agreed
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Dennis the menace
DevilsDennis Sparris McHilton
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 16:21
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so if you dont like it, dont buy the cd... no one is pointing a gun to your head dude... quite simple
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Soul Kontakt
Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 16:53
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Every artist has a message to bring through his music and even though sometimes it does not match our requirements still the message is passed on through the music! The music talks express itself through the artist emotions and ideas...So there you go i think even in every genre of music there is a msg one can tell what the artist is talking about if one feels the music so much!
Boom :)
SOUL KONTAKT - 12th Planet new track on www.myspace.com/soulkontakt
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Bloodclot
Bloodclot
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 17:16
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This whole topic sounds more like 'Can a message be passed through psytrance?' Considering no lyrics and just a track name.
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gay_trancer
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 17:24
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after 10 years altering my mind into psychedelic consciousness i can say that psy trance certainly doesn't pass any messages....it's only a music genre that differs from others because is refering to free-thinking people.....for example back in 1997(i think) Transient released a cd and a part of profits would go for the aim of Tibet(or something like that).....but this has nothing to do with messages or philosophy..it's simply a matter of fact |
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Sound Surgeon
Crater / Mish-kah
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 17:30
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On 2006-12-29 16:53, Soul Kontakt wrote:
Every artist has a message to bring through his music and even though sometimes it does not match our requirements still the message is passed on through the music! The music talks express itself through the artist emotions and ideas...So there you go i think even in every genre of music there is a msg one can tell what the artist is talking about if one feels the music so much!
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What messages are do u put inside your music? I wish to know.
As an begginer music maker i can guarantee that i never thought about any messages except of "fun", "relaxing" , "mind challenging" when i write my tunes.
What do you do?
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Soul Kontakt
Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 17:31
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after 10 years altering my mind into psychedelic consciousness i can say that psy trance certainly doesn't pass any messages....it's only a music genre that differs from others because is refering to free-thinking people.....
Yeah right! There aren't any messages so how could anyone love it so much!
Boom :)
SOUL KONTAKT - 12th Planet new track on www.myspace.com/soulkontakt
Soul Kontakt Live for demo or booking email soulkontakt@hotmail.com
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Sound Surgeon
Crater / Mish-kah
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 17:32
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On 2006-12-29 17:31, Soul Kontakt wrote:
Yeah right! There aren't any messages so how could anyone love it so much!
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Because its great music?
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Soul Kontakt
Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 17:35
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We like the message to be spiritual and of beautiful feeling for us it's not just music it's a way to go somewere else internally and externally, together...
Nothing new many people have done this before and we are just following the tracks of our ancestors and trying to make it better! The music is our way to express Joy and happiness and a togetherness. It is a consious tool to upgrade your soul to a higher level of knowing and understanding! This is our expression and what we want in a dancefloor pure energy!
Boom :)
SOUL KONTAKT - 12th Planet new track on www.myspace.com/soulkontakt
Soul Kontakt Live for demo or booking email soulkontakt@hotmail.com
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Sound Surgeon
Crater / Mish-kah
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 17:39
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On 2006-12-29 17:35, Soul Kontakt wrote:
We like the message to be spiritual and of beautiful feeling for us it's not just music it's a way to go somewere else internally and externally, together...
Nothing new many people have done this before and we are just following the tracks of our ancestors and trying to make it better! The music is our way to express Joy and happiness and a togetherness. It is a consious tool to upgrade your soul to a higher level of knowing and understanding! This is our expression and what we want in a dancefloor pure energy!
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This is true, but i think mk47 was talking to messages like "Kill George W Wush" or "anarchy for all" messages within psytrance music. I dont think they exist either (like Acidhive)
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Soul Kontakt
Soul Kontakt
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 17:44
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Ah ok man, i was thinking messages in general in that case i don't think that you'll ever play a cd reverse and gere the devil lololol |
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scobbah
Kiriyama
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Posted : Dec 29, 2006 18:10
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On 2006-12-29 15:06, Acidhive wrote:
And contemplate this: Psytrance and trance in general is based around a partying culture and is about fun foremost. Or am I missing something here? Are there people out there partying and thinking of world problems at the same time? Anyway, this culture more based around fun reflects in most psytrance and trance producers, and let's be glad for that. I'm aware of the world and the problem we live with everyday without reminders. You only have to listen to the news, read papers, look around you. If you need psytrance to fight for rights, well sorry, but this scene is underground and won't reach a lot of people, so what's the point? No, if you really want to make a difference, then actually DO something. Go to Africa yourself, help people there, but don't go hiding around artists like Vegetal and think it's gonna be alright because you listen to them and are making a statement. Ask Joe Average from around the block who Peacesect, Goa Gil or Vegetal is and they'll say: Sorry, who??
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I'm sorry, but I thought this culture had its roots in the liberating ideas of the 60s movement, which in my eyes was one among the most important political phenomenons of the 20th century.
Throughout my years in the scene, I've come to a conclusion that the scene could be divided, hypothetically that is, into two social groups with each group uniquely defining what is important to them when it comes down to psychedelic trance culture. No to offend anyone, I don't promote any certain group here or wish to downplay another, this is all just hypothetically, please remember that. First, we have the party-goers that just care about partying. If the music transmits a message, well they couldn't take less notice about it. All they long for is to go out, have fun, dance to music which makes them feel good and that's all. Second, we have the group of people who believes in the "goa vibe" and actually live for it, in varied extents of course comparing people to people. This group may refer to themselves as neo-hippies, or, the people may claim themselves to have been inspired by the 60s movement. Spiritually and politics are in focus in combination with the tribal gatherings. Politics doesn't necessary have to be black&white, i.e. the Republicans vs. the Democrats. Chosing a different path of life compared to the vast majority of people at the geographical position where you're residing can also be a political move, in my humble opinion, as you go against the major flow because of what you believe in no matter how controversial it may be.
Please, keep my theory regarding the groups in mind, and focus on what we're doing. I can not speak for Peter's (Vegetal) sake, of course, but only for my own and elaborate why I've done things the way I've done them and why I do the way I do things today. I'd like to believe that I'm inspired by what happened back in the 60s. I'm really into politics and history, especially the latter mentioned as I'm studying to become a high-school teacher with history as one of my majors. Due to the above mentioned, I believe in grass root movements and the potential power of these. As we saw in the 60s when the younger generation, joined with some of the older people building bridges between generations, had a huge impact on the society back at that time, I believe this can happen today, too, and I also believe it needs to happen - a revolution of conciousness in many aspects. I could elaborate on this subject forever regarding a revolution of conciousness, but I'll try to sum it up with that I believe we, especially in the major parts of the Western civilization, need to reconsider how we act, live and consume - what's important in life needs to be reconsidered in order for the survival of the living beings on Earth and for the sake of our, and all the other animals', children. Yes, I know this might sound like a load of bullshit to some of you, but then again, I suggest you go and study various subjects like global warming, the over-consumtion of meat and that industry's impact on the amount of food available for the citizens of the earth, various third-world related issues and much more, all that that "may" have (I do not consider myself as an holder of the absolute truth, I respect everyone's opinion and I never claim myself to be right - I just like to put arguments against each other and always reconsider things, thus developing as a human being;I write "may" to declare this but there's already a great load of proofs which confirm the decadence of our planet) an impact on our future and the future of our planet.
What annoys me, though I've become used to it, is when people downplay these issues like it's nothing to care about or it isn't as serious as they, may it be scientists, researchers etc, say. Not always - but most likely the people who call me out to be a cynical idealist seeing problems that are non-existent are TOO OFTEN the ones who are also not enlightened about what's really going on (and too many out of these chose to remain "blindfolded"). Again, I never claim myself to sit on the definite answers and the absolute truth, but what everyone can and is free to do is to check up facts and compare them together - create your own opinion instead of just sucking up what the establishment says. Yes, I know I'm out on thin ice here starting to speak in an Orwellish tone, but my point is: anyone is FREE to research, weigh facts and make up their own mind. Don't believe what I say, go out and study yourself - for example, there are tons of books written by various authors on both sides of all issues - authors on both sides are, in my eyes, just as common as a coin having two sides. Someone see's my point here? I only wish to make people act and form their own opinion and start thinking for themselves, that's all. We use political samples in the Peacespect tracks, and if only one, just one person at the party listens to for example a sample and reacts - whether it's a positive reaction or a negative one - it's still a victory for me because then I achieved what I wanted from the beginning with the Peacespect project: to reach out and get people thinking. Who are you to say that I can't do what I want and do what I believe in? If the political issues offend someone, may it so be, everybody reacts to different things, just like some reacts negative to night-music (i.e. "dark psy") and think it's the voice of Lucifer flowing out of the PA's - myself is annoyed for instance by fluffy commercial poptrance. Again, remember what I wrote above - I am no holder of the absolute truth, I haven't spoken my mind here yelling at lovers of this latter mentioned music style that they are all wrong and they shouldn't be connected with psychedelic trance culture, have I?
Ok, let's try to bring this post to an end... With the above mentioned, I refer to myself as one who still believes in the power of grass root movements and I believe psychedelic trance sprungs out of the vibe of the 60s. I see psychedelic trance culture as a global grass root movement phenomenon, and I believe that we can do what we can to raise awareness and enlightment within and around our tribes - especially with the contemporary tools we have today which the 60s didn't have. I believe that we can do what we can on our side, and other underground movements (there's still a part of the psychedelic trance culture which I'd like to refer to as underground) will do their best I hope to raise enlightment - letting people form opinions of their own instead of buying everything that's written in the headlines of the newspapers or what's told in the late evening news on the radio/television.
I believe we need to change our way of living , for else our future isn't bright-looking. Who are you to tell me, a dreamer that tries to do what he can on his side, that I am wrong?
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