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ND
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Posted : Mar 28, 2004 01:50
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hi to all of proffesional people out here,
i have to know about some issues that not so clear to me. especially i wanna ask the israely artists that deal with non-israely labels.
1. is it better to be registred to ACUM or not?
2. if any of you registred to this service, what you have to do in order to be registered and how it works?
3. if i wanna be payed directly i need the invoice to be issued by a VAT-registered entity or something?
4. can you explain me how you work with labels?
5. how the invoice thingy works?
thanks for your attention, tried to optmize my questions, so global explainations can be helpfull too.
ND.
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ND
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Posted : Mar 28, 2004 17:58
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hey wake up dudes!
as i understand, label pays the artist, artist is like an employer, in very country there are taxes on a worker income that goes to the country.
so if both of sides work properly they have to be registred in some VAT registration.
and i see the situation many artists don't even know what is it, and labels pay and get "invoice" which is just printed by the artist.
The invoice needs to contain following information:
- label company name
- label VAT reg. no.
- The total amount of invoice
- Description of the service (Mechnical royalty)
- artist company name
- artist VAT reg. no.
so as i see tax laws not taked in care by labels...
can some smart mind explain what's going on?
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Mindfly
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Posted : Mar 30, 2004 22:36
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As I'm not from Israel, I might be "off-topic", but surely there's gotta be some help to get from anyone in here...?
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Sound Surgeon
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Posted : Apr 24, 2004 10:40
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come on dudes~!!!!1
the guy needs some help
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johnny sin
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Posted : Apr 24, 2004 13:55
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Hi Prosect,
In the begining it sounds nice to be register to a company like ACUM or SAGEM e.t.c.. BUT,you never get your money that a label must pay to them in order to release your music,and labels usualy don't like to pay money to these kind of companies.It's better to give the money straight to the artist.It's easier and better for both sides i think.
For sure you need VAT as an artist and not any kind of VAT as it happend to me in the past!The label has to declare the money that spends for tracks.
How it works?
It's simple.You make an agreement with a label,that means when you will get paid,how and how much you're going to get and then you have to send the invoice,you sighn contracts and stuff....
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 24, 2004 14:13
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1. is it better to be registred to ACUM or not?
Yes all artists releasing music should register to their local copyright organisation(s). Why? becuse they look out for your interests in many various ways (moneywise and legal wise) and make sure you get your money whenever your music is played on Radio's worldwide. So please dont listen to johnny sin. I dont find his views about Copyright Organisations professional and I would never release anything with a label that have that attitude. No offense johnny 
Believe me you do get your rightfully owned money from these organisations !
2. if any of you registred to this service, what you have to do in order to be registered and how it works?
Well It's not that difficault. Call them and they'll help you out I think you only have to pay a small fee and then your a member.
3. if i wanna be payed directly i need the invoice to be issued by a VAT-registered entity or something?
As an artist you dont need to be VAT registered. At least that's how it is here in Denmark. But of course it depend how much you sell. But if you make your own production company there migth be some benifits with tax deduction
4. can you explain me how you work with labels?
Thats a very big question and very individual from artists to artist and from label to label. One thing is sure. Never just sign the first best contract. make sure to consult a Lawyer first. It's worth every penny and you are sure you wont get caught up in legal twist later preventing you from releasing music at other labels ect.
5. how the invoice thingy works?
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johnny sin
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Posted : Apr 24, 2004 18:33
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kristian,you wouldn't work with a company that prefers to say the truth?
I would love to see in this thread artists that have got their money from the copyright companies.
Then i may change my mind to what i beleive it's true....
Buy the way i was the one who brought you at paros island in 1995 with Tolis.You remember??We had some goodtime back then.
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johnny sin
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Posted : Apr 24, 2004 18:34
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kristian,you wouldn't work with a company that prefers to say the truth?
I would love to see in this thread artists that have got their money from the copyright companies.
Then i may change my mind to what i beleive it's true....
Buy the way i was the one who brought you at paros island in 1995 with Tolis.You remember??We had some goodtime back then.
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ND
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Posted : Apr 24, 2004 19:37
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finally some answers
thanks elysium and johnny. and surgeon
ok, i will have to wait till next registration session at ACUM that will be only in june. (lazy bastads...). now what i can't get is on their registration form, they're asking for all tracks been released to be written, but then how label buy a track thru them? like i think i need to write tracks need to be released, no? (i think i have to ask them... heh) or i'm wrong, they protect already released stuff?
hey, "As an artist you dont need to be VAT registered", that's cool, i'm sure i don't get 1000000$ , but what i write then in artist VAT registry in the invoice?
thanks again kristian.
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Colin OOOD
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nobody_3
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Posted : Apr 24, 2004 21:48
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Oh so it's you Johnny Hi mate how's life? Long time. Any news about Tolis?
I can only speak for myself and I have since day one recieved all the money that I was entitled to by the Copyright organisations... yes some labels dont pay the money they are surposed to pay to the organisations but thats their fault - not the artists
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ND
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Posted : Apr 24, 2004 22:48
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thanks Colin, i will talk with them later.
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johnny sin
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Posted : Apr 24, 2004 23:56
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Nice that you remember Kristian:)
I hope that everything is ok with you too and hope to see you in Greece again and spend some time...
The thing is that when an artist is registered to these companies the label has to pay in order to have the cd printed.Otherwise the cd factory isn't printing the cd.
BUT is the artist getting his/her money from these companies?
Do you know that clubs pay these companies as well?Even the clubs that only play trance.Have you ever got any money for that?
Do you know that maybe in a club in Greece for example they might play your music?Have you ever got any money for it?
So,it isn't always the label's fault...
P.S:Last time i heard of Tolis,he was a heardresser:) |
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DETOX
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Posted : Apr 25, 2004 00:36
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Personally as a label owner (Exposure Records) and A&R for Starsound i try to avoid artists that are registered to companies like ACUM and stuff for one simple reason that Johny already mentioned,you buy a track for 500 euros lets say and then before printing the cd you have to pay something like 200-300 euros more for that tune for ACUM.If all artists register to ACUM then 50% of the labels will close the next day simply because they will not be able to afford to produce compilations or artists album.
And to make things simple and clear for everybody here if lets say i release a compilation with 10 tracks with 10 artists all registered to ACUM,and i pay for each track 500 euros plus 250 exta for ACUM that makes us 5000 plus 2500 which equals 7500 euros just for the tracks not including the mastering expenses,artwork expenses and production expenses.Psy trance scene is very small in terms of sales and an average compilation sales maximum 2000 cds which in simple maths means that the 2500 euros taken by ACUM is actually almost all the profit of the label.
We are not dealing with SONY or EMI here people,this is psy trance scene we are talking about so ACUM doesnt belong here in my humble opinion.
The solution is good communication between artists and labels,as simple as that.
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psykojipi
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Posted: Apr 25, 2004
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Well,I don`t have a clue so....
I not an even know why I`m answering!!!!
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