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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 16:16
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On 2004-10-14 14:46, traveller wrote:
the psychedelic culture is more than just another electronic music.
Care to explain this? What's more to it? |
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Fact: Today psychedelic trance parties have little to do with the psychedelic culture. Boom Festival and a few others are the exception. The rest of the regular parties are all about getting high quick and easy.
Do you think Dr. Hoffman or A. Huxley would be proud to see the things going on at trance parties? Leary probably would, but someone with brains and respect for psychedelic substances will not. |
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 16:19
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Boom, are you kidding!!
Boom was a perfect example of organizers making big money and lots of people doing shitloads of drugs and dancing under a bad sound system.
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 16:20
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On 2004-10-14 15:30, traveller wrote:
I tend to get that feeling quite often while having sex with my girlfriend. Wouldn't call it trance dance experience thou 
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hehe...
i see
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On 2004-10-14 15:29, a3k wrote:
no one has the power 2 say what is right or wrong!
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yep! exactly!
there is no universal truth we could argue about.
everything we argue about is because of the illusory dualism which is linked with life. we experience things separated (mind and matter; subject and object etc.).
this is essential for our living in this material world but shouldn´t be taken for something like universal reality - it´s just subjective construct. and each individual reality differs from the other more or less.
therefore we argue... |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 16:22
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Science don't know how hallucinations or dreams appear. They don't even know exactly how we see in our normal awake state.
Even something simple, like how it works if you decide to move your hand is unexplainable.
Sure neurlogy can explain part of how the signal travels in your nervous system.
How the impulse to move the hand appeared is something far beyond science.
Sure science is trying to explain how things work, but have they got a clue?
They though they had more of a clue some decades ago. Science is in a very confused stage now, most scientists would admit as well.
Lots of the theories I learned in school is already explained incomplete or incorrect at a scientific level.
I find quantphysics and chaos theory very interesting from a spiritul perspective though, but they don't really explain things as being understandable in any way but rather the opposite.
I for sure don't change with science.
I belive in what I can understand myself and don't accept any thoery as fact because it came from someone indoctrinated in the scientific system enough to call himself scientist.
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 16:24
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On 2004-10-14 16:19, traveller wrote:
Boom, are you kidding!!
Boom was a perfect example of organizers making big money and lots of people doing shitloads of drugs and dancing under a bad sound system.
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your eyes saw that... 
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 16:38
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ok this is going sort of offtopic but anyways look at science 500 years ago. back then we didn't have much of a clue. imagine science 500 years from now, then i bet we'll have pretty good picture, i would say we've got a quite good one already actually. yes general theory of relativity and quantum physics contradict each other, but that's why there are shitloads of scientists working on the string theory and keep on looking for the TOE. which i believe will eventually be found. then we'll have a clear picture. science is with out a doubt the most important thing mankind has ever done.
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deejayridoo
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yeah Spindrift. i´m very interested in quantum physics and chaos theory either. and in radical constuctivism and postmodernism...
nothing is predictable at 100%, even the so called evidences.
but for our daily lives the probability (<100%) of a cause leading to a certain effect has proven to be sufficient.
in science you speak only within "theories of the middle range", which means theories that explain something, but sometime in the future will be replaced or completed a bit etc.
there are no theories of higher complexity (e.g. bringing together the laws of the microcosmos - planck´s quantum physics, and the macrocosmos - einsteins theory of relativity) which could explain more than a single event, but all single events are more than their simple addition (a new quality occurs), so we´ll never end.
science is an open and neverending project |
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Insomniac
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 16:44
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Very interesting stuff you guys are saying but stay on topic.
One should always be in love. That is the reason one should never marry. |
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 17:29
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Spindrift, i agree with all the aspects you mentioned, except for one thing which keeps me thinking:
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On 2004-10-14 17:16, Spindrift wrote:
We eat lesser quality food...
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why do we (the western civilisations) have an ageing society problem then?
food seems to be an essential aspect of health, so if the food was that bad these days, people wouldn´t get older and older, would they? |
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 17:37
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Well, again I think thats a conception based on comparing with documented history.
There is many stories about people living very long indeed in ancient times.
Most the data about the lifespan of people is starting during medival times, when a lot of cities grew up and people didn't know how to deal with hygien in those circumstances. Combined with the increased trade there was very big health problems at that time.
Things surely improved in that field since then.
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 19:24
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interesting.
yeah, maybe if we went further in history (not only the last 3000 years) we would see high-tech civilisations.
but our stupid ancestors and the fucking church censored everything during the mediaeval times.
thanx to the arabian world that they kept the inventions and the great technical progress alive during this period.
without them this knowledge would have been lost forever. |
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 19:55
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yeah, maybe if we went further in history (not only the last 3000 years) we would see high-tech civilisations.
Or not, very unlikely anyways. Had there been "high-tech" civilations before..
How exactly would have they dissapeared and without a single trace? Even if we were hit by a meteor and all mankind and say 99% of living organisms on earth died and evolution would start from scratch again till something sort of like us would exist there would be evidence left of us for everyone to see.
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Spindrift
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 20:17
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Advanced don't need to mean that you disrespect the earth and cut out pieces of bedrock for you fancy buildings.
I think they rather used wood, since there was still plenty to go in most regions. Wooden houses easily lasted a few hundered years when well built.....longer than the buildings we make with concrete today anyway but not for thousands of years.
Batteries made with clay and lemon juice amazingly seems to be a couple around that is still is identifyable, made some 10000 years ago.
In old systems it seems that cremation was the definate burial method, like still in India.
The pyramids is among the oldest buildings we know and still fairly intact.
Really, how much of the stuff made today will last a few thousand years???
Most of it have problem not falling apart after a few decades.
Do we build more advanced monuments than the pyramids nowadays??
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Triptocoma
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 03:01
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Very interesting stuff guys, very very!
Leo, i guess it all went wrong somewhere wayback...
its the humans fault that things have got so carried away! instead of changing the ways of how things are we make them worse.... ohh but we try to correct.. hehe, i wonder who first said, think first before you act...
if we hade been a smart species we would have made things better before it got too late!
but we have no leader to tell us? or what..
there would hade been other solutions to our needs if we just would hade made friends with nature....
We are just a gang of parasites that exploit the earth to maximum... sad sad sad
isnt the earth one big organism? hehe
enough of this late night mumbo jumbo zzzZZz
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a3k
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Posted : Oct 15, 2004 13:16
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On 2004-10-14 15:33, traveller wrote:
no one has the power 2 say what is right or wrong!
totally disagree on that. there are tons of universal rights and wrongs.
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yes i know...but which one is right and the other wrong?
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