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traveller
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:22
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So? It's just a chemical reaction in your brains dude, nothing more.
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daniel duarte
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:23
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Its like dimitri (i think) once said... people here often refeer to the trance non-listeners as less inteligent or less capable, and often believe they are special because they like psytrance... i mean. what the hell? I dont imagine God saying like "damn those house listeners! psytrance is the real thing!"
Its just music... an art form. If you understand it and like it then cool...
And the only ones i think are less inteligent is the ones that dont know psytrance or don't like it and talk bad about it without even knowing what they're saying... thats dumbness to me.. its all about respect as in so many art forms.. sculpture, paiting, fashion...
ets stop being egocentric, start enjoying what we like and stop seeing ourselfs more special than others.. because we're not!
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a3k
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:29
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i´m a little bit outside of your conversation...but people...listen...
people don´t see things in equal ways...and traveller see thix one way....deejayridoo..another way and ganjagil..another way...as many people like psytrance there is always the same number of people seing it their way...althought i liked the way ganjagil see´s things...i do also think there is "something" religious, mystical in psytrance...although i get those state of conciousness through thix kind of music...i don´t think thix musical genre is better than the others...
respect the others genres!
and see and exchange experiences with the ones who have experienced what u have...is a little bit weird try 2 dialogue with some one who doesn´t see it like me you and they see...but if we are having fun...so what the hell?
no one has the power 2 say what is right or wrong!
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:30
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On 2004-10-14 15:19, deejayridoo wrote:
feelings are, along with knwledge, nothing but mental constructs which enable us to live our daily lives.
the trance dance experience as a sort of mystical experience goes, as goa gill allways points out, "beyond mind,beyond thought and beyond our own individuality" (i add: beyond feelings).
ego loss leads to higher realms outside of the material.
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I tend to get that feeling quite often while having sex with my girlfriend. Wouldn't call it trance dance experience thou 
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:33
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no one has the power 2 say what is right or wrong!
totally disagree on that. there are tons of universal rights and wrongs.
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:35
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Traveller wrote:
"And no. I don't agree to anything divine insine. In the end inside of things are quarks which might be constructed of different kind of strings"....
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so tell me this traveller.... in what part of your body exist your toughs, your dreams, your desires? .... you tell us that you dont have a soul???? how can you say that? i think you are another lost soul in this world...
humans cognitive capacity makes us diferent from other animals mainly because we have the hability of self-consciousness! if this true: in order to have counscious of yourself, you have to be something beside your body, you have to be cousciouns that you ARE IN a body, and not the body itself....
you say "my hand", "my foot", "my head"...it's your things, but is not you...you dont say "I hand"..or "I foot".... think about this!
another thing...long years ago, before man use the "I" word....before EGO construction, all humans lived as "souls", literally... because the EGO had not the strengh he has now to make you think you are alone in this world, and that you are a human body worknig his ass to win money, to work, bla bla bla....
dont say those things man...it make you look a fool!!
ps - feelings are not sate of mind..feelings are neuroquimical reactions of your body, reactions that are connected directely with your toughts, the way you see things!
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-Abatwa-
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:42
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some people can listen to psytrance and go to gatherings just to have fun, some go with more spiritual goals. some seek books to enlighten, some their own experiences. some rely on science, some on mystic techniques.
I am a spiritual person, connected to psytrance for something more than some devices making some noises, so i can twist my body. It is not only fun I seek. But I have total respect to those who do not share these views.
And an end note for garbage left at outdoor parties. i think it must be the ones who come to gatherings without respect for nature that do the mess. dont throw shit on tree huggers
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:43
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On 2004-10-14 15:13, traveller wrote:
Experiences teach you very little about science my man and science is far more than just opinions. Science is a mean of obtaining knowledge.
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i dont belife you said this!! This science of yours is the same science that believed the eath was the center of the universe...science is an ATEMPT
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:43
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so tell me this traveller.... in what part of your body exist your toughs, your dreams, your desires?
That would be my head, more presicely my brains. Can't go into more details than that I'm afraid thou for I'm not an expert on neorology or what ever they call it.
you say "my hand", "my foot", "my head"...it's your things, but is not you...you dont say "I hand"..or "I foot"....
That's because my brains are highly advanced when compared to other living organisms from other species on this planet.
feelings are not sate of mind..feelings are neuroquimical reactions of your body, reactions that are connected directely with your toughts, the way you see things!
indeed!
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:45
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On 2004-10-14 15:13, traveller wrote:
Experiences teach you very little about science my man and science is far more than just opinions. Science is a mean of obtaining knowledge.
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i dont belife you said this!! This science of yours is the same science that believed the eaRth was the center of the universe...science is an ATEMPT to explain what surrounds us...ITS NOT LIABLE OR UNIVERSAL TRUE!! science always changing man..so how can you be blind by science?!
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:46
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On 2004-10-14 15:43, Psilocibino wrote:
i dont belife you said this!! This science of yours is the same science that believed the eath was the center of the universe...science is an ATEMPT
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Then the science, or rather the scientists realized that this was not the case, but woops, then it was the religion, the christian one actually which said that "no, the earth is the center of the universe, you repeat this or we burn you alive". And then finally in the 1990s apologized Galileo, "oops we guess you were right"
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:48
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On 2004-10-14 15:42, -Abatwa- wrote:
And an end note for garbage left at outdoor parties. i think it must be the ones who come to gatherings without respect for nature that do the mess. dont throw shit on tree huggers
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Well I take care of my shit mainly cos I happen to care about the nature but anyways I've seen lots of enlightened hippies with their tibetan shirts and dreads becoming totally different persons as soon as the party ends.
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traveller
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 15:57
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On 2004-10-14 15:45, Psilocibino wrote:
science is an ATEMPT to explain what surrounds us...ITS NOT LIABLE OR UNIVERSAL TRUE!! science always changing man..so how can you be blind by science?!
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Yes science is indeed an attempt to explain what surrounds us and how it all works. And yes science is always changing, and I'm changing with it. I'm not blinded by it. It's the religions that refuse to change..
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Psilocibino
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 16:00
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sorry, but i dont think the word "soul" has anything to do with religion! Soul has to do with your interior, you true essencie...is this religion??
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deejayridoo
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Posted : Oct 14, 2004 16:12
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it depends on how you define "your true essence". in existentialism and buddhism there does not exist such an essence.
everything is "in a flow of becoming and decay".
nothing is consistent. |
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