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are mixes legal?
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Dovla
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Posted : Feb 3, 2003 12:53
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Hey people...can you tell me is it ok to host dj mixes on a site....I want to promote the local djs here by putting their dj sets on a site free for download in a low quality mp3 bitrate so it doesnt have a big file size and can be faster to download....can you tell me if that's ok or is it a problem because of the labels...
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Dovla
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 02:56
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come on people....can someone please shead some light on this subject for me...I know there are lots of legal issues here...
I have a mix from a local dj here...I would like to promote him by putting his mix online free for download....now I know that it's not allowed to give mp3 rips of albums and compilations for download but since this is a mix and it would be in a low bitrate i think it's ok....is it?
Sometimes this whole legal issue really bothers me since all the cds have "unauthorised copying, hiring, lending, public perfomanse and broadcasting prohibited" writen on them but that means that not even dj's are allowed to play cds on parties...does it?...what's the whole point then?....this is so f* confusing! 
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A.Rosengren
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 03:21
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whos gonna stop u???
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Dovla
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 03:31
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It's not just that....I just feel that it's not fair to do it if it's forbidden by law....but then again i think it wouldn't to much harm since it mainly would promote the local djs here and having a low bitrate mp3 isn't really that much of a collectors item if you know what i mean
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tom anteater
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 10:09
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i think this is essentially a bit of a grey area. it seems to me that no one is likely to object if you are only doing as stated: putting up a low bit rate dj mix.
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Chi
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 11:48
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Mixes are legal, in any bitrate, IF you ask the dj if you can record his performance. If the answer is yes, it's 100% legal.
I remember seeing a Logic Bomb interview, where one of the guys was really pissed because the organizers of a party recorded their mix (live @ Amanita forest) withouth letting them know... he carried on "if they had asked me, i had no problem with that"... I believe that his the opinion of most of the artists/djs.
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tom anteater
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 13:23
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but chi i think the issue here is not whether or not the dj consents but whether the artists whose music the dj played do..
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yossi
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 13:27
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or the labels that owns the rigths for it...
but as sad as it is, like A told ya - whos gonna stop u???
but its nice of u to ask 
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Sputer
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 13:36
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On 2003-02-05 13:27, yossi wrote:
whos gonna stop u???
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the question is if its legal or illegal.
like in mp3 mafia, u w'ont tell them "whos gonna stop u"
..."Be yourself, let your conscience guide you...
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yossi
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 14:17
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mp3 mafia is illegal.
it gives ya the answer?
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Sputer
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 14:33
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i didnt say mp3 is legal.
but u told to the guy whois gonna stop u
if it was about mp3 tradin and stuff u would'nt say that.
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yossi
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 15:05
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yeah, any way...
if je is doing it without asking the rigth owners, its illegal.
boom
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tom anteater
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 15:08
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look, strictly speaking it is illegal to play music at a rave etc without the consent of the copyright owner. it may be the case that this consent is generally held to be implicit, but then you have to wonder why the labels bother reserving this right in the first place.. the issue therefore really comes down to whether or not you think it is a reasonable thing to do.. since putting up promotional dj mixes that you or your mate made is hardly any worse than playing said mixes in the first place viz the original legality considerations it seems fine to me. i mean surely labels and artists are concerned about loss of sales which is not likely to be occasioned by what you propose.
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Basilisk
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 19:42
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I've made a few mixes and if I use a track from an artist I can contact, I have done so... never had anyone who said 'no!' - most were like "sure, why'd you bother asking?" or "send me a copy!" 
It's technically illegal as per the statement made on most releases about unauthorized broadcast... so, a bit of a paradox; grey area. Essentially I don't think anyone minds... its not as if you're going to hear a song by artist X in the mix and then decide you don't need to buy the album! |
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Borris
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Posted : Feb 5, 2003 20:56
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Tom, it's a bit different.
Basicly, any place that plays music should pay performance rights to the artists who wrote/preformed the music. this is done through regional copyright companies (ACUM in Israel, NCB in Scandinavia, GEMA in Germany or PRS in the UK) in some countries the same org. is responsible for both performance rights and composition rights (Israel, Germany), in some it's different orgs. (Like in the US, UK or scandinavia)
A DJ playing music should basicly pay for 2 different things. one is for the use of the composition and 2 is for the use of the perfornance. what is the difference? for instance tom wrote a track, but you wrote it as a score (Note sheet) and gave it to Yossi to produce (since tom doesn't know how to play the musical instrument called the computer) then sputer DJ'd that track in a club. THE CLUB OWNER should pay tom for his writing the tune and Yossi for his performance of the tune. basicly the payment should be paid by the venue holder.
in case of mixsets on the net, the owner of the site is the one responsible for the payment.
So basicly, unless u have concent from the artist (or the rights holder, theese aren't always the same and could be the artists publisher or someone else) u may not use the tracks.
This is the hardcore legal side.
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